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  •  We may have won the war, but the battles... (11+ / 0-)

    ...continue. Latest WH messaging is great, but that is all it is.

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 02:06:40 PM PST

    •  It may not be everything, (11+ / 0-)

      but it is something.  Better this than not.  Any deal will involve things we do not like.  I'd rather go over the bunny slope.  But even if there is a deal, I think it will be better than before because of the use of leverage and changing conditions.  Time will tell.

      I'm glad Barack Obama is our President.

      by TomP on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 02:17:15 PM PST

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      •  It is important that all Bush tax cuts for wealthy (2+ / 0-)
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        expire not just some of them.  

        I am really afraid that the White House will cut a deal with the republicans that will result in a top rate that is less than the top rate under Bill Clinton and that this will be a "permanent" top tax rate.  

        This is not acceptable to me since we are in the driver's seat and should force all of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire.  

      •  I think referencing this as "the bunny slope"... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...trivializes a truly important issue.

        IMHO, this is a subject that touches upon the core issues that have defined this Party for generations.

        Frankly, I'm astonished you'd comment in this manner in this thread (and I'm talking about the comment to which I'm responding now).

        It's a not-so-slow-motion trainwreck. And, "let's see what happens" isn't a sane nor serious "solution." Kind of like "let's see what happens" when global warming passes the point of no return (a place where society's at right now).

        "Let's see what happens" when people get their SNAP allotments cut? Etc., etc.....

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:54:27 AM PST

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        •  Exactly right. (1+ / 0-)
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          It's not just about protecting SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. It's about protecting programs like SNAP which are programs that prevent people from starving. It's about protecting everything that helps the helpless.

          This manufactured crisis may well end up hurting millions of people if it's allowed to continue to the desired outcome of the Fix the Debt, neoliberals, and consservatives--the Grand Bargain.

          What is so grand about cutting services for people who need those services to survive? Nothing at all. It's just a moniker slapped on the side of a rusted out dumptruck full of toxic waste that the oligarchs and plutocrats in DC can applaud and slap themselves on the back over at cocktail parties and on the Sunday Morning Talk Show Circuit.

          The Grand Bargain must be stopped at all costs to protect the 99%.

          by cybrestrike on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 06:42:26 AM PST

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      •   I am not convinced we'll get a better deal (0+ / 0-)

        after Jan 1st. Who's to say Republicans will be any more likely to vote for tax cuts for the middle class after rates go up? They're not even trying to hide the fact they only care about lower taxes for rich people. They've already proven they don't mind tanking the economy for political gains and I don't think they've figured out that people aren't buying their shit anymore so why should we think they'll agree to any deal that doesn't include tax cuts for the rich? They don't listen to pressure from their constituents so the outrage of millions of middle class Americans won't sway them. Any bill they'll vote for will either have to include tax cuts for the rich or cuts to Social Security, Medicare or the ACA. It doesn't matter that Democrats are in a stronger position, the GOP is very good at saying "no!".

        Let's not let 2014 be anything like 2010. Republicans only win when we stay home!

        by Tim D M on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:54:56 AM PST

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