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  •  Conflating Bartlett and Sullivan is unfair (2+ / 0-)
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    beemerr90s, Sharon Wraight

    Bartlett was a partisan Republican.  Sullivan is "of no party or clique" and in the last two decades I believe he has supported more Dems for President than Repubs.  

    We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

    by theotherside on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:19:35 AM PST

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    •  "Of no party or clique", unless it's liberal. (2+ / 0-)
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      WheninRome, KenBee

      Get real.   He's a conservative.   He supports a lot of shitty policy in regards to the safety net.   Yeah he was right about the Iraq war, but so were liberals.   I'd rather stick with people who aren't only right about 1 thing.  

      And frankly the reason he voted Democrat a few times is because the Democrats have made a few giant leaps towards conservatism in the past few cycles.  Thanks to Democrats guys like Sullivan got their wish of a private insurance mandate, instead of universal coverage.  

      When the going gets rough, the average go conservative. --Henry Rollins

      by Beelzebud on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:01:44 AM PST

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      •  Well, I'm going to take an educated (2+ / 0-)
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        guess that I know Andrew a lot better than 99.9 percent of the population as I have read him almost daily since before 9/11.

        And, yes, he's a self-identified conservative (as am I) and he further identifies as fiscally conservative and socially libertarian (not socially liberal).

        And no, he was actually wrong on Iraq.  He (like I) was for the war and he  has come to view it as a colossal mistake and deeply regrets his support for the Iraq war, as do I.  Being "right" in retrospect is certainly not the same as being right prior to the war.

        As far as the health care system debate goes, you are right.  He doesn't support single payer.  I believe his interaction with the UK healthcare system has scarred him to some degree but it is my understanding that the system is much better today than it was in his youth.  I think Frum has the same basic stance.  With that said, even though I call myself conservative, if the healthcare debate re-ignites, my gut reaction is going to be to support single payer and force the burden of proof to be on those that say maintaining a private insurance system is the way to go.  Cost and access are apparently much better under single payer with roughly the same outcomes and so it is difficult to fully understand the opposition to a proven system(s) across the industrialized world.

        As most of the "conservatives" in other parts of the world do, I can view single payer as a sane and rational stance that is perfectly in line with my general political philosophy of fiscal conservatism.

        We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

        by theotherside on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 10:21:34 AM PST

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        •  Well as a self-identified conservative (0+ / 0-)

          of course you think he should be listened to.

          I'm a liberal.  I don't see the value in having two conservative parties.  

          When the going gets rough, the average go conservative. --Henry Rollins

          by Beelzebud on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:25:08 AM PST

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        •  Thank you for posting here! Much appreciated. (0+ / 0-)

          Healthy and reasonable debate and discussion is fruitful. Dialectical truth is far more insightful than party doctrine.

          Please keep it up. Just ignore any ad hominem slights. Your voice is valued here.

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