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  •  We should petition Obama (4+ / 0-)

    to not only skip inviting creeps like Warren to the inaugural, but all other clerics as well.

    He should also not say "so help me God" during the swearing in or use a bible to swear on.  He should put his hand on the Constitution and repeat the oath of office that is spelled out quite clearly in it.

    Then he should refuse to attend the National Prayer Breakfast because it is sponsored by The Family... the same group behind the move in Uganda to make homosexuality a crime punishable by death.

    I voted for Obama, but he is clueless on separation of church and state.

    •  My own take on it isn't that he's clueless, but (3+ / 0-)

      that he's overly cautious. His mother was an atheist. Doesn't he have an atheist sister? He's accused of being a Muslim. People tried to make a scandal out of the pastor of the Protestant Church he attended in Chicago. I think it's a subject he'd rather avoid. I'm hoping he'll just pick a bland, vanilla Protestant minister. The country's full of them.

      My brother-in-law's brother used to be a Lutheran minister. He's a nice guy with mildly progressive political views and a charming family. He's not famous, but there must be literally hundres of ministers like that throughout the country.

      •  i keep advocating for Pastor Dan. (3+ / 0-)

        pseudoscience can kill

        by terrypinder on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:32:51 AM PST

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      •  An inauguration is a civil event, (1+ / 0-)
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        not a religious one.  There should be no mention of deities as the government has no business weighing in on the issue of whether or not they exist.  Of course, we have messed that up since Washington- although he had no prayers and did not say "so help me God".

        Obama is the first President ever to assemble a group of religious leaders to advise him on government policy. Plus most of those people are the ones getting the money from those faith based funds.  It's ridiculous. Obama promised to end the Bush initiated OK on faith based groups being able to discriminate in their hiring and has yet to keep this promise.  He read one of the Psalms from the bible at the the last 9/11 ceremony in NYC after Bloomberg took a bold stand to keep religion out of the program in deference to the diversity of the victims and their families.  I could give a big list of Obama's failings in this area.

        Now that he doesn't have to run for office again, he needs to step up to the plate and do what's right Constitutionally and let go of the religious pandering.

        •  Yes, well in my fantasies, Obama does exactly what (2+ / 0-)
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          you've said. He issues a statement that we have a separation of church and state in this country and he declines to have any kind of prayer said at any official government function, including at the inauguration. However, that's not going to happen. So, given the realm of what's feasible, I'd like to see a totally uncontroversial person lead the prayer, or whatever it is that they do, and the whole subject will be so boring no one talks about it.

          Secondly, Obama still has to govern even though he's not going to be seeking reelection. That gives him a little more leeway, but not tons. Just being practical. I'm about as irritating an atheist as you can get on most issues. So, you're right, Obama is no where near where I hoped he would be either, but I do think he's caught between a rock and a hard place on a lot of this.

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