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  •  So what's your Plan B with respect to global (11+ / 0-)

    warming? Sorry, but more oil/gas/coal is just 100% wrong. Obama doesn't have to pander to those interests, he's won re-election. He can lead on this issue with no fear. Obviously he's swallowed the "All of the above" claptrap. This bodes poorly for the tarsands and expanded coal mining decisions the Whitehouse is going to make in the coming months/years.

    To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:56:34 AM PST

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    •  Plan B: find habitable Earth-like planet, (9+ / 0-)

      preferably within ten light-years of the Sun; place a randomly selected fraction of the world population into cryostasis and send them to the new planet via hyperdrive; terraform the new planet in the teeth of great adversity; voila, the human race is saved!

      Oh wait, that's the plot of a science fiction show. No, there is no Plan B. We're boned.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:24:30 PM PST

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      •  Humans survived the Toba bottleneck (5+ / 0-)

        from 70,000 BCE. At least the genetic evidence seems to suggest that. Probably no more than a few thousand females capable of reproduction survived the climate changes from that event. And they had no technology save fire and stone tools to deal with a decade or so of the volcanic winters that caused. So I think humans as a species will survive. But we will be changed by what lies ahead.

        To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

        by ontheleftcoast on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:50:02 PM PST

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        •  so all I need is a few thousand females (1+ / 0-)
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          to make it genetically through the next bottleneck.

          Best get started.

          Guess I better not be too picky

          •  about 6,000 is the optimum minimum (1+ / 0-)
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            population for genetic diversity.

            At least according to most high-tech scifi authors on the subject, the ones I read at least, all of whom are actual scientists in their day job life, like astrophysicists and mathematicians and chemical engineers, etc.


            "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

            by Angie in WA State on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:08:53 PM PST

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            •  The minimum with reasonable management. As (1+ / 0-)
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              long as there aren't genetically stupid social constructs like polygamy and luck enough to not have any seriously bad mutations, a population starting with that many can stay relatively healthy for a long time. Bad luck or stupidity can alter that very quickly.

              Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

              by FarWestGirl on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 06:12:33 PM PST

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        •  Another thing on Mount Toba eruption (5+ / 0-)

          Some people who survived the massive culling of human life were either out of the way of disaster or could migrate out from the area of catastrophe during the volcanic winter.

          Migration is conducive to human survival when the world's continents, rivers, and oceans aren't carved up into political boundaries. Now, cities like Abidjan, Dhaka, New York, and Amsterdam face unprecedented, phenomenal risks of flooding refugees. And the agriculture that paved over millions of hectares of grassland and forest? Do we suppose we will just migrate to Canada and Siberia? Without any political, societal, or economic backlash? Nah. I think the survivalist, transient tendencies and non-political global structure of hunter-gatherer tribes during Toba and other climate change events may have been a huge advantage to human survival. On a global scale, I'm still pretty skeptical, to say the least, that the political structure of today isn't a hindrance, except for the few sovereign nations that sustain the least damage.

          "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

          by rovertheoctopus on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:36:35 PM PST

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          •  To say nothing of all the poisoned areas that we (1+ / 0-)
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            now have to avoid. The Chernobyl, Love Canal and other man made disasters that have hazards invisible to the uninformed. To say nothing of the effects of ocean acidification and it's effect on sea life, overfishing, toxic dumping and general climate chaos. I could go on. It's a much more dangerous world to be wandering now in many ways. And we're much less adapted to it than our ancestors were.

            Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

            by FarWestGirl on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 06:18:59 PM PST

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        •  And humans survived the displacement from the... (1+ / 0-)
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          ..land bridge that once connected the Yucatan Peninsula to Cuba, ten thousand years ago.

          Man is intelligent and resilient.

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          by PatriciaVa on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 02:06:25 PM PST

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      •  Locate this planet's emergency exits ... (0+ / 0-)

        "Earth to America ... Can you hear ... Sending out a message loud and clear ..."

        Sadly even more relevant years later.

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        by A Siegel on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:15:19 PM PST

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