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  •  I understand there are some other differences (5+ / 0-)

    but the purpose of the Senate is to be the more deliberative body. Debate is  part of the deliberation and slowing down of legislation is also part of it.

    So Personally I have issue with the willy nilly use of the filibuster, I have issue with a non talking filibuster. You want to filibuster take to the floor and lay out your case for the voters to see and hear. And I have issue with secret holds. Light of day for all of it I think can cure a lot.

    The 47% also "pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more" but when Romney does it he thinks it's a virtue, while when they do it, he thinks they are deadbeats.

    by jsfox on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:27:56 PM PST

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    •  Tradition vs. Effectiveness (1+ / 0-)
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      codairem

      I guess that a lot of this boils down to values. A lot of folks are very protective of the tradition of senate and that's great. But as of now, we are falling behind. Mexico has universal health care. Russia is blocking Monsanto foods. If senate traditions can't get the job done, then the senate traditions need to change IMHO.

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        Deep Texan, FG, avsp

        the fact that we are falling behind has little to do with the filibuster and that  should be painfully obvious.

        Do you honestly believe we would have gotten single payer if there had been no filibuster. And seriously you are going to trot out Russia as an example of a functioning democracy?

        The 47% also "pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more" but when Romney does it he thinks it's a virtue, while when they do it, he thinks they are deadbeats.

        by jsfox on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:53:55 PM PST

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      •  Trust (1+ / 0-)
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        Republicans have chosen to abuse the rules and traditions of the Senate for partisan gain, to the detriment of the nation as a whole.  It's not even limited to policy arguments as evidenced by the frequency of filibusters of appointments.  That record shows that they are unworthy of the trust that Senate rules and traditions require.  Accordingly, the rules and traditions must change.

      •  Russia blocks a variety of food imports for (1+ / 0-)
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        purely political reasons. For example, when they had a conflict with Georgia they suddenly realized that Georgian wines are produced in unsanitary conditions. When they had disputes with Belarus, they started complaining about the quality of Belarussian milk. When these disputes were resolved, somehow the concerns about milk quality disappeared.

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