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  •  Bartlett is hardly clueless. (2+ / 0-)
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    He is suggesting a strategy. It isn't meant to be comprehensive.
    Hate to remind you, but conservatives/republicans have dominated politics since Reagan. They still do. Obama is far more conservative economically than a GOP President in the 1950s was.

    •  It's a clueless strategy (1+ / 0-)
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      If he thinks he can win African American votes by pointing out that the Democratic Party used to be the racist party, he's clueless. He's not uncovering some hidden secret.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:46:28 PM PST

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      •  He is suggesting approaching the African-American (0+ / 0-)

        vote, would help the GOP get the African-American vote.
        It's not that difficult nor radical of a concept.

        •  It's the method that is clueless (2+ / 0-)

          If the GOP wants to gain the African-American vote, they have to understand WHY they aren't getting it. The African-American vote used to be solidly Republican. African-Americans started voting Democratic as the racists abandoned the Democratic Party.

          Attempting to win over the African-American vote by running against the Democratic Party of many decades ago is a losing strategy.

          The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

          by A Citizen on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 06:40:04 PM PST

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          •  He isn't running against the Democratic Party (2+ / 0-)
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            of many decades ago.
            He is essentially saying the exact same thing you did, "African-Americans used to be solidly Republican"
            I don't understand this necessity to try and disparage an article which not only agrees with what we believe (GOP has lost touch with reality & the GOP should be more welcoming of minorities), but does it in an articulate & passionate manner.
            This knee-jerk "the other side said it, thus it is to be loathed" reaction is something that annoys me in conservatives.
            But it is far worse seeing it from people whom I share most political viewpoints with.

            •  That is exactly what he is doing. (2+ / 0-)
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              The best way to get Republicans to read a book about reaching out for the black vote, I thought, was to detail the Democratic Party’s long history of maltreatment of blacks. After all, the party was based in the South for 100 years after the war, and all of the ugly racism we associate with that region was enacted and enforced by Democratic politicians. I was surprised that such a book didn’t already exist.
              I thought knowing the Democratic Party’s pre-1964 history of racism, which is indisputable, would give Republicans a story to tell when they went before black groups to solicit votes. I thought it would also make Republicans more sympathetic to the problems of the black community, many of which are historical in their origins. Analyses by economists and sociologists show that historical racism still holds back African-Americans even though it has diminished radically since the 1960s.
              So I wrote Wrong on Race: The Democratic Party’s Buried Past. Unfortunately, it was published the day Barack Obama won the Iowa caucuses.
              I'm basing what I say on what he actually said not on, "the other side said it, thus it is to be loathed". He's campaigning against the Democratic Party of decades ago. He knows that African-Americans used to vote Republican once upon a time, but he doesn't understand why they switched. He assumes that African-Americans are too ignorant to understand the history of the Democratic and Republican Parties. Yes, he is attempting to reach out to African-Americans, but he is doing so in a clueless manner.

              The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

              by A Citizen on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 08:38:51 PM PST

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              •  Read again what Bartlett 'already said' (1+ / 0-)
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                "when before black groups to solicit votes"
                "make Republicans more sympathetic to the problem of the black community"
                "historical racism still holds back African-Americans"
                To read these statements and conclude that Bartlett is simply "trying to run against the Democratic Party of many decades ago" is absurd.
                "He assumes African-Americans are too ignorant to understand the history of [the parties]."
                sigh You realize that this is an example of "running on the history of many decades ago"?

                •  You're cherry-picking. (0+ / 0-)

                  "when before black groups to solicit votes" What about it? The GOP would like to get the African-American vote, but they don't know how.

                  "make Republicans more sympathetic to the problem of the black community" It's a nice bit of fluff, but does it really mean anything?

                  "historical racism still holds back African-Americans" You cut out the rest of the sentence which says "even though it has diminished radically since the 1960s." This looks like whitewashing of the racism of today. There are many people who try to dismiss the racism by saying it's merely "residual racism".

                  To read these statements and conclude that Bartlett is simply "trying to run against the Democratic Party of many decades ago" is absurd.
                  To read only those statements and reach that conclusion would indeed be absurd. To read the rest of his statements and conclude anything else but that he is running against the Democratic Party of many decades ago is absurd.
                  "He assumes African-Americans are too ignorant to understand the history of [the parties]."
                  sigh You realize that this is an example of "running on the history of many decades ago"?
                  No, it's not. It's the opposite. He's looking at how the parties were many decades ago, I'm looking at what they are today. If he wants the GOP to win back the African-American vote, he's going to have to acknowledge that the Republican Party has a racism problem. He's trying to message his way out of it, but the problem is not a message problem. It's not how they communicate to African Americans, the problem is their policies.

                  The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

                  by A Citizen on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 03:26:03 PM PST

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                  •  *sigh* (0+ / 0-)

                    "[racism has] diminished radically since the 1960s"
                    Uh......It has. This is as basic of a fact as there is.

                    However, instead of trying critique your post, let us return to the main point:
                    You are attacking an article that (a) Wants the GOP to be reality-based, & (b) be more accessible to minorities.
                    Which one of those two things do you disagree with?

                    •  *Sigh* (0+ / 0-)

                      I disagree with neither. The problem is that his methods obviously fail to accomplish either. He's not being reality-based. He's ignoring the rampant racism in the Republican Party.  In order to make the GOP more accessible to minorities, the GOP must understand why minorities find the GOP unappealing. There is a reason African-Americans left the Republican Party, but he doesn't understand this.

                      But instead of asking the GOP to change its ways, he thinks that African-Americans will come around if only the Republican Party talks about racism of many decades ago in the Democratic Party.

                      How many African-American votes did "Barack the Magic Negro" win for the Republican Party? How many African-American votes did Republicans distributing pictures of Obama with watermelon and fried chicken win for the Republican Party. If the Republican Party wants to win over African-Americans, getting rid of racism like this would be a good start.

                      Just because he has some good things to say doesn't mean that this is one of them. But go ahead and have the last word if you want. I can only lead the horse to water so long.

                      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

                      by A Citizen on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 03:26:52 PM PST

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                      •  "methods fail to accomplish either" (0+ / 0-)

                        Yes....that is the point of his article.
                        The GOP HASN'T followed his viewpoint.
                        "How many African-Americans did Republicans distributing pictures of Obama with watermelon and fried chicken win for the Republican Party."
                        None. Thus Bartlett's scathingly critical critique of the GOP.
                        "can only lead the horse to water"
                        Or you can try reading the actual article, instead of whatever the hell it is you think you are commenting on.
                        Just a thought.....

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