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  •  Why on God's green Earth is this a good thing? (3+ / 0-)
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    Look, I'm not gonna hate on Apple unreservedly; I'm tapping this out on an iPad. But what the fuck are they going to tell Obama that we want him to hear?

    The outcome progressives should embrace is nothing, that we all go over the “cliff” and straighten things out with a better Congress and a stronger position (only arguing for tax cuts). The only way 12/31 matters in a way that can't be fixed retroactively is that unemployment benefits will expire, and that's apparently not even under discussion. So fuck the whole dealmaking process so long as “no deal” is a good deal for us.

    Now, do you really see Tim Cook agreeing with the above analysis? Much as good economics suggests he should embrace deficit spending so that the economy can get better and more people can buy Apple products, I'd be shocked if he's so enlightened. Much more likely he'll be toeing the CNBC line, which goes something like ZOMG FICSAL CLFIF CUT ENTITLEMENTS NOW NOW NOW.

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    by Code Monkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:01:30 PM PST

    •  Why not? (0+ / 0-)

      People in the IT/Tech industry have a lot more ideas to contribute to as far as improving the world.  We can get thing done a lot faster.  Just ask the people at Google.  Isn't that the main search engine everyone on Daily Kos uses?  Has Daily Kos become the most liberal blog on the Internet strictly because of in-person word of mouth?

      But the bottom line is, Tim Cook and Marissa Mayer are CEOs.  They still have the same responsibilities as other CEOs.

      •  Again, it's not about the industry. (0+ / 0-)

        I just don't see the value in them talking to Obama right now on this issue. There are certainly areas where I'm glad to see tech industry representation. But this isn't one of them.

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        by Code Monkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:11:58 PM PST

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        •  They are CEOs (0+ / 0-)

          1)  Mayer and Cook offer their own advice as CEOs and how it would help the fiscal cliff matters.

          2) How about this idea?  Supposing Barack Obama, who obviously knows Marissa Mayer is a strong supporter, asks her:  "What's the best way I can communicate with supporters and have others help me in the cause so I can get Republicans to push for middle class tax cuts?"  This refers to how technology can be enhanced in the cause for activism.

          As Doc Brown from "Back to the Future" would say, "You're not thinking fourth dimensionally!"

          •  Obama has no shortage of CEO advice (2+ / 0-)
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            on handling the fiscal bluff.

            And I'm pretty sure Obama's tech team has all the know-how they need. I really don't see Obama and Cook personally conferring on the ins and outs of social networking and shiny toys for adults; they'd both be wasting their time.

            As for supporting President Obama, I'm gonna do what I usually do, thanks much: Support him exactly to the extent he appears to be doing the right thing. At the moment, he still seems way too desperate to make a deal that extracts a bit of chump change from the rich, and I'm not nearly convinced enough that he's going to keep Medicare and (especially) Medicaid out of harm's way. If the deal involves the Medicare age going to 67 and Obama supports that deal, I'll oppose him vociferously, and so should you.

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            by Code Monkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:30:29 PM PST

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            •  It isn't just social networking (0+ / 0-)

              IT and Technology are more than that.  It's about innovation and developing new technologies, even bigger Internet, Search Engine, Social Media and Online Marketing technologies to communicate and faster.

              I think you're underestimating the power of IT potential.  I work in the field of business analysis and you'd be surprised at how this career path can really make changes within the business operations in any company, whether private or public.

              Now why not apply this to the federal government and Congress, even in the fiscal cliff?

              As much as Obama and his outstanding grassroots tech team have as far as momentum, it is possible for it to be better.  Never rule out the possibilities.   As Marissa Mayer once said, don't toss out projects, morph them.   This was in response to a request by then Google CEO Eric Schmidt.

              •  If it's not social networking, (1+ / 0-)
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                how does it apply to fiscal curb negotiations and Obama's ability to drum up support?

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                by Code Monkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:45:09 PM PST

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                •  Let's address this on two fronts: (0+ / 0-)

                  1)  Social dialog and social communication outside the social media, which is always restricted to the Internet.  How about new technologies for speaking social.

                  2)  Social media didn't begin with Myspace.  It began long ago with America Online in user chatrooms and IMs.

                  Bottom line is, every technology has to be improved but you cannot think of marketing these days without thinking about IT.  That's why so many advertising agencies are moving to the Internet.  Traditional media isn't working as much anymore although it still has its customers.

                  •  What's that have to do with the fiscal bluff? (2+ / 0-)
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                    Okay, forget I ever used the words “social networking” (I suspect there's a semantic misunderstanding here). I just don't find it likely that the President of the United States — not an OFA guy or bigshot advisor but the man himself — is meeting with tech CEOs — businessmen, not CTOs or project managers or strategists or even salesman — to talk shop about the fine points of leveraging modern technology toward short-term political goals like the fiscal bluff negotiation. They have people for that. A face-to-face among top brass like this is going to be about the big picture.

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                    by Code Monkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:58:40 PM PST

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      •  IT types tend to lean libertarian/neoliberal (4+ / 0-)
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        which has proven to be bad for the economy and country. They love it when government funds the core research and infrastructure that allows them to become successful, then want government off their backs so they don't have to pay taxes and support the "takers".

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:15:29 PM PST

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        •  That's such a short-sighted statement. (1+ / 0-)
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          I know a TON of IT and Tech types who are liberal and progressive that don't fit your criteria.

          •  How many of those are CEOs? n/t (3+ / 0-)
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            by Code Monkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:22:12 PM PST

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          •  You don't get to the top of many leading (1+ / 0-)
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            organizations these days by being liberal and progressive. For every Costco there are ten or fifty Walmarts. Just look at the IT field and the number of borderline if not actual sociopaths running them, like Larry Ellison or Carly Fiorina, or even, sorry to say, the late Steve Jobs, and in some ways Bill Gates. These people don't see people, they see paths to success paved with the bodies of people.

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            by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:28:25 PM PST

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            •  What does politics have to do with this? (0+ / 0-)

              I'm talking about IT and Tech innovation, not political activism.

              •  By meeting with Obama they are involving (2+ / 0-)
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                themselves in politics, duh. I need to know what their perspective is and priorities are before I can get too excited about their meeting Obama. Are they looking out for themselves and other rich and powerful people (and the relative few who have the talent and connections to someday be as rich and powerful)? Or are they looking to make this a better country for everyone else? That's ALL I care about with respect to their involvement in politics.

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:58:34 PM PST

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      •  This is all kabuki theater (1+ / 0-)
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        The group as listed in the diary is too large to have any kind of meaningful conversation, and exchange of ideas, with the President. This is all for show, nothing else.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:04:55 PM PST

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    •  The government MADE Apple, Google and FB (0+ / 0-)

      Through billions spent on basic research and infrastructure from the 30's till now. They literally have no moral right to ask that government programs that help everyday Americans be cut just because THEY no longer need them.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:16:56 PM PST

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      •  Moral right? What on earth are you talking about? (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you even understand what business analysis is?  It's about enabling companies and organizations to cut down on costs and improve profits?  

        Why not do that same process with governments, as in help governments cut costs and improve communication with the public (instead of profits).  You don't have to layoff people necessarily.

        Goodness, what about the website of the frickin Whitehouse?  Is that not informative?

        •  You sound like a neoliberal (3+ / 0-)
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          who cares about costs and profits, not people. Government is not a business and should not be run like one, and the problem with government today isn't that it's too inefficient and not "nimble" and "agile" enough or has poorly-designed web sites. The problem is that it favors the rich and powerful at the expense of everyone else. Where have you been the past 30 years? Was it on "earth"?

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:56:09 PM PST

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