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  •  One of my treks to Free Republic (none)
    I posted the following some time ago. My seemingly harmless questions were immediately remmoved.  The questions had actual information about filibuster votes.  They didn't even bother to dispute the votes.  They just removed my messages.  

    In the following thread from Free Republic, I'm Frotto.  
    Not only did I have my posts removed, but my screen name was banned and I wasn't allowed to post under it anymore.  

    That's just chickenshit.  That wouldn't happen on Kos.  A well reasoned argument from a Republican doesn't get that sort of welcome here.
    To: NutCrackerBoy
    "The Constitution does not, in our view, require it to choose one way or the other."

    I suppose it could be argued either way from the National Review's POV.

    It's my recollection that Cheney has to actually declare the Filibuster unconstitutional.

    Regardless of whether Cheney thinks it is unconstitional or not, the NR doesn't appear to feel it is unconstitutional. Naturally, he does, but the National Review doesn't actually say it is unconstitutional, it just says that they need to make it so judges can be voted on.

    Regardless of Cheney's, or the Republican POV, do you think that the article makes the case for the unconstitutional nature of the filibuster?

    3 posted on 05/13/2005 6:11:38 PM PDT by frotto
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    To: NutCrackerBoy
    Just do it and move on.

    4 posted on 05/13/2005 6:14:49 PM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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    To: Archidamus
    I'm not sure I understand your answer. Was it to the question about whether or not it's a constitutional issue?

    5 posted on 05/13/2005 6:21:55 PM PDT by frotto
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    To: NutCrackerBoy
    The risk that a minority of senators will be able to keep the courts in the business of imposing the Left's agenda cannot be accepted. It is time to vote to end the judicial filibuster.
    I am greatful to NR for the magazine's roll in my political developement. I cut my political teeth reading NR.

    But I must say that they seem a little late on the trigger with this article--and often on the wrong side of many issues. Better late than never, though.

    I'm not always sure if NR is drifting toward the center, or if it's just me becoming more conservative idealogically. I think it's a combination of both.

    6 posted on 05/13/2005 6:22:12 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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    To: tame
    How does this look when compared to recent filibusters by Republican lawmakers?

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&sessio n=1&vote=00280

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&sessio n=1&vote=00280

    This is confusing for me.

    7 posted on 05/13/2005 6:29:22 PM PDT by frotto
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    To: NutCrackerBoy
    its about damned time.

    8 posted on 05/13/2005 7:08:12 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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    •  FR fault (4.00)
      The Freepers' total clampdown on dissent is a weakness, and it will come back to haunt them eventually. And that's why it's particularly important to keep ourselves exposed to the other communities and ideas out there.  

      I was honestly shocked when I saw how many Freepers claimed that the wheels were starting to come off of the GOP machine...because it wasn't socially conservative enough. They honestly believed that Bush's poll numbers were dropping because he was being too soft on gays, the middle east, and social security, and was being "punished" for his capitulation to the left.

      That is precisely the sort of point we should never reach.  While the left-wing "echo chamber" serves an incredibly valuable purpose in disseminating information within and without of the progressive commnunity, we have to keep it from defining our own reality.  It is not so obvious when you're seeing it from inside. It's pretty stark when you see it on the right, though.

      We're not immune from it, and we will be stronger in the long run for keeping ourselves grounded in reality, not just what we want reality to be.

      •  "own reality" (none)
        Kos posted photos of gay couples marrying in SF and while everyone cheered in jubilation, i knew most AMericans would be upset and/or disturbed by those images. only in the extreme left blogosphere would those photos generate such a reaction different from mainstream America, particularly in normally Democratic minority communities.
        •  I can always count on you (none)
          to talk about gays. Do you have any other topic?
          •  yup (none)
            go see my diaries on free trade and CAFTA and fundamental corporate power issues that i wish the Dems and liberals would talk about instead of getting hung up on culture war stuff as the GOP wants us to do...
            •  yeah the solution is to change the subject (none)
              because the american public is smart enough not to get caught up in the social hot button issues- oh wait- maybe they are not that smart? see again, i was making a bigger point about you- you want a cure-all. you no more an idea of who americans are than i do. the difference is that i now admit it now that the heat of last years election is over. i see my so-called liberal friends- they aren't anymore interested in most of the issues you mention than the conservatives are. and the truth is even worse- they are more interested in american idol or being cool.  there aren't any cure-alls for what ails democrats or america in general. it took 30 years (and some would arge 200) to happen- and some quick solution isn't going to change things. incidentatlly good luck on changing the subject- tell me does it work any better for you than it did for kerry who kept trying to change the subject and yet oddly he still lose
              •  I don't get it. (none)
                He gives you a direct answer to your question and you accuse him of changing the subject.
                WTF?

                Hijack their frames! Cheap, easy, effective.

                by chriscol on Tue May 24, 2005 at 03:19:16 PM PDT

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                •  to whom am I refering (none)
                  for you- it's his subject matter de jour- to me- it's this whole idea of the American people- that neither conservatives or liberal have a clue what "the American people" want or think. Firstly, I don't pretend to know. Secondly, I point out they seem according to ratings to care more about American Idol. Thirdly, I would add that on issues of politics they offer up contradictory things. Your friend focuses on single hot button issues (that are important to HIM), and then changes the SUBJECT of those issues- it's not gays- it's free trade, it's not abortion, it's something else. that's how he is changing the subject. If in your mind this is a clear answer, then explain that to Kerry because he tried that last year, and how well did it work out?
                  •  Take another look (none)
                    at your comment to him that triggered this.  

                    You yourself mentioned a single hot button issue. You didn't explain all the rest of this that you just wrote me.

                    Most people on Kos mean well--but none of us reads minds very well.

                    Hijack their frames! Cheap, easy, effective.

                    by chriscol on Wed May 25, 2005 at 10:16:16 AM PDT

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