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  •  There are already (1+ / 0-)
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    special needs programs in place for that in most places, if not ADVOCATE for that specifically.

    Homeschooling is already legal here.  

    But to flush the whole public education system to charter and religious private schools, to kill Unions and make it lowest bidder in a for-profit system is simply ignorant.

    Your tone was dismissive from the 1st line - and I gritted my teeth and red what you had to say anyway.

    Like most people who are getting theirs, you are willing to sacrifice everyone else's child for the sake of yours.

    You need to get off your high horse and quit emotionally screaming at rational people.

    ..the smoker you drink, the player you get....

    by Diane Gee on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:02:51 AM PST

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    •  I've tried the"special needs programs" (1+ / 0-)
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      I tried several variations, including accomodations and homebound, and I explained why they did not work.   They were a complete failure, and the other parents who ended up in virtual education also said they were a complete and utter failure.

      I am not sacrificing other children.   THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE THING TO SAY TO ME.

      I am asking the my child not be sacrificed, which is exactly what was happening until the virtual schooling option was provided.   There is no reason that virtual schooling cannot be provided as an option, and every reason that it should be provided as an option, and there are many families out there who can attest that it SAVED their children, rather than "sacrificing" them.

      And, I say this from actual experience with both systems -- WE NEED THEM BOTH.

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        I would gladly advocate for virtual schooling for special needs children.

        What I will not advocate is that program being attached to a greater legislation that puts ALL of the US public educational system at risk.

        IF you had read the proposed Michigan legislation you would see that that is exactly what it would do.  It doesn't provide for BOTH.  Obviously your reading comprehension suffers.  They are voting on parent triggers, privatization and using public funding to start for-profit, unregulated schools.

        Your entire post was OFFENSIVE when it started with the line:

        "I actually know what I'm talking about Unlike most of the rest of you"  the "high horse" and "emotionally screaming".

        Pompous, arrogant and condescending.  You don't want people to respond in kind, don't start out like a bitch and I won't be a bitch back.

        We don't get to cherry pick what we like in a bill.  Its pass or fail.  We need to throw these proposed bills out.

        I'd be more than happy to advocate for a new bill that allows virtual schooling for special needs.  THIS BILL IS NOT THAT!

        I'm sorry your school district sucks, I know many Mom's whose districts do allow their kids to go to virtual school if they have handicaps that make mainstreaming unthinkable.

        Lastly, to comment on Michigan's system when you don't live here is really unproductive... since you clearly don't know what our system here is.

        Good luck for your kids, anyway.

        ..the smoker you drink, the player you get....

        by Diane Gee on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 10:56:34 AM PST

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          Texas isn't Michigan.

          ..the smoker you drink, the player you get....

          by Diane Gee on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 11:04:16 AM PST

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        •  I apologize (0+ / 0-)

          I apologize that my tone offended you.  I am very frustrated with people who talk about virtual charter schools as if they are the devil's spawn, particularly since I have not met anyone who has actually attended a virtual charter school who takes this position.  The people in virtual charter schools that I've met are grateful for the opportunity, which many consider a salvation.   Virtual charter schools are actually an excellent tool that fits into an overall public school strategy.

          I would like to ask, though, who are you to decide for families?   Why only allow virtual schooling for certified special needs?   Why do you get to decide what solutions work best for what families?  A huge problem with public schools is a lack of flexibility, an inability to meet the needs of modern families with 24X7 schedules, single parents who have to work jobs that take them out of town, etc.  There is no end to the challenges that modern families face.

          Schools are not keeping up with the demands of modern life.  In fact, in some areas, they are retreating.   When faced with attendance issues, instead of understanding what's driving it and offering more flexible options, they just send the police to people's doors.  And, then schools wonder why families are dropping out, PARTICULARLY families with sick children who are doing everything that they can do, and getting treated like criminals.  Schools are stuck in the same old rut they've been in for decades, wondering why it isn't working.  And, then when states try to innovate, they get hit with this kind of backlash.  By people who have never even tried it.

          The voice on DKOS is overwhelming shrill cry that charters are the end of civilization.  But, my own experience is that they are solving problems, addressing the needs of families who would otherwise be forced into homeschooling, and therefore, EXPANDING opportunities for kids.   Someone needs to speak up about it, and I don't see anyone else doing it.

          •  who are you? (0+ / 0-)

            To decide that in order to have virtual schooling, you would speak FOR a rape the public tax base for profiteering system that would ultimately end in "schooling for the rich" and nothing for the poor.

            Charters are the end of civilization - that being a civilized society offers secular and equal education to everyone.

            Paying for religious filth with my taxes is an abomination to me.  You don't get to decide where MY tax dollars go.

            Move to Michigan.  We already have virtual schooling.

            Now, again, your tirades have nothing to do with the legislation at hand.

            Please quit spamming my diary with YOUR agenda.

            ..the smoker you drink, the player you get....

            by Diane Gee on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:09:06 PM PST

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