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  •  Reloading (13+ / 0-)

    Say, I am curious ... since this is an open thread and all. How many reloaders do we have here? I reload my own ammo.

    I can say this much, there is a myth going around about how it saves you money. What really happens, is you get to shoot a whole lot more. I think the big deal here is value no?

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    by krwada on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 08:59:38 AM PST

    •  Well it depends. (10+ / 0-)

      If you reload and you have less expensive (per round ammo) you usually have more so you shoot more, so you reload more...

      BUT if you reload and shoot the same amount, you will end up saving money (depending on caliber).

      Reloading bigger rounds (like .44 Mag, .50AE, .357Mag, rifle rounds) usually nets you a bigger savings.

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      by KVoimakas on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:03:06 AM PST

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      •  Discipline (11+ / 0-)

        It is like going on a diet. When you have an abundance of lower priced ammo, it is very difficult to self-limit. Heck, even with reloading, I have switched over to practicing with my .22LR out at the range. I have found out that shooting too much of the high power will burn out the barrel ... which I do not want to do.

        I know of almost no one who reloads the same amount and shoots less as a reloader.

        ... I take that back ... actually, a lot of my collector friends do this; however what they are interested in is loading for obsolete calibers such as the Brit .303, and some of the BPCR stuff.

        You are quite correct, as a percentage savings, pistol ammo is more expensive than center fire rifle ammo for reloading. In absolute dollar value, pistol ammo is cheaper than center fire rifle. You have a lot less powder and the lead tends to be cheaper for pistol.

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        by krwada on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:16:34 AM PST

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        •  The only problems with reloading are the initial (8+ / 0-)

          investment and the time investment.

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          by KVoimakas on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:20:56 AM PST

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          •  Investment (9+ / 0-)

            I would not call the time investment a problem. I really like reloading. Reloading is a very relaxing stress-reducing hobby for me.

            As to initial investment; you are quite right. It can get pricey. I went all out when I started. I basically purchased the RCBS single stage reloading kit. Then I purchased all the other recommended stuff.

            I have heard of folks who have managed to keep the initial investment down to a better price point by purchasing Lee reloading equipment. Lee is more economical, and does appear to work well. I have a few Lee neck sizing collet dies, and they seem to work OK for me.

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            by krwada on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:40:00 AM PST

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            •  I just borrow a buddy's progressive reloader. (9+ / 0-)

              Nothing like 900 rounds in a matter of hours. :-D

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              by KVoimakas on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:44:26 AM PST

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            •  Same here, I enjoy the reloading as much if not (1+ / 0-)
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              more than the actual shooting....Fun and relaxing...

              I am actually about to bell and charge 110 45 Colt rounds, 100 under a 250 XTP and the 10 are a test to see if just moly coating will suffice to prevent leading at full magnum velocity, half bare and half with a heavy Alox coat...my guess is that even though the moly does fine with standard pressure/velocity 45, up in the 35kcup range these H-110 loads will be pushing, they will need the Alox too....

              But that is why we test before loading the full hundred....I love putting them together but hate taking them apart with a kinetic....and my collet puller is 30 cal only....

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 02:22:18 PM PST

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        •  I reload and cast my own projectiles so I do save (10+ / 0-)

          a ton over buying ammunition....esp in the heavier calibers like 44 magnum, 45 Colt etc, I can load a box of full bore magnum loads with a Keith wadcutter for under 5 bucks not counting my time.  Comparable to say Buffalo Bore at 80 bucks a box that is serious savings....

          Now jacketed costs 20 to 30 cents a round so obviously that increases the cost and with new brass it is more but if I didnt reload, I wouldnt be shooting anything but 22 lr

          Plus being able to find what I actually want to shoot can be an issue, I like full wadcutters in 38 and theyre almost impossible to find on the shelf any more, and when you do the price is ridiculous.  My own are more accurate and again under 5 bucks a box, well under in this case.

          I even cast for my rifles, not every shot needs to be full power to punch paper and I end up saving as much if not more.  Plus like you mentioned, obscure or obsolete calibers can be ridiculously priced and impossible to find, my 2 are the 7.65 Argentine and the 45-70, a buddy is into Arisakas and I taught him to reload basically just so he could shoot at all......

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 10:02:17 AM PST

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          •  Cast bullets (7+ / 0-)

            Yes, casting your own will save a ton of money ... especially if you are lucky enough to find a good supply of lead.

            Personally, I buy cast lead for the .45 ACP. At the local gun show, I can get a box of 500 230 grain ball, (Berry's mfg), for about $55. That is a pretty reasonable price as far as I am concerned. I can also purchase a box of 500 230 grain moly-coated at the local pistol range for about $47, (Bear Creek ammo). That is even better.

            As to reduced loads, I have sent a ton of 110 grain cast lead carbine down range with my .30-06 using Trailboss powder. There is very little recoil, and I can pretty much shoot this stuff all day long.

            I would be all black and blue with regular standard hi-power jacketed .30-06 after only 50 rounds or so.

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            by krwada on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 10:17:11 AM PST

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            •  Trail Boss rocks for subsonic rifle rounds, iirc (7+ / 0-)

              the last I loaded was 10g under a 185g cast hard sized to 310 or so in the 30-06....Accurate and quieter than a 22...

              Mostly I use 2400 but both Red Dot and Unique work well also for a bit more velocity but still minimal recoil.....Ed Harris has done some excellent work on cast rifle loads and his universal loads really do work.

              I spent my working years in garages as did pops so I have a quite decent stash of wheel weights which work great and can be hard or soft, water drop to quench and wait a week and you are about 22 brinell, air cool for 7-12.  

              Plus molten metal is just fun to work with.... If I had to buy my lead I would probably just buy the bullets except for a few special projectiles I really like and are hard to get like the Keith style wadcutters.....

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 10:48:07 AM PST

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    •  um, I want to learn: we have an Argentine Mauser (8+ / 0-)

      in the family, and buying ammo for it is ... well, the damn stuff's a weird caliber and made, for all intents and purposes, of unobtainium.

      It's the 1891 model buillt-for-the-military rifle. My FIL handed it down to his boys ... sweetest scope I've ever seen, bar a Starlight... and it's 7.65 x 55. No, it's not the factory stock; don't personally know whether he made the one it's in or bought the assembly originally. Do know it's a beauty. I suspect it would be on par with any sniper weapon out there, in the properly-skilled hands.

      Full disclosure: I went to SAMTU school, not SNIPER school. But principles apply ...

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 11:10:30 AM PST

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      •  are you sure it is x55? (8+ / 0-)

        Most all I have seen are 7.65x53 I wish mine was not sporterized but they are a beautiful piece of fine German metalwork.  Mine was made in 1899.

        It is actually a very easy round to load and brass is available from Graf and Sons unfortunately they are out of the Privi Partisan and the Norma is a buck a round, however Norma is some of the finest brass made and with normal loading will honestly last damn near forever.  I was lucky and got the PP and have no complaints but I think Grafs only gets a couple shipments a year on the oddballs.

        It is a fat 30 so most take a 311 to 312 projectile as long as the barrel was not abused, they were shot with corrosive primers for a lot of years but a lot of the rifles imported here are pristine.

        The same Lee kit that ban nock bought, a couple pounds of powder one for full power and one for comfortable reduced loads, some primers a bit of reading and maybe even watching as there are a lot of decent reloading tutorials on youtube and basically the same technique is used on all bottleneck rifle cartridges and you can be safely reloading.....

        You have the advantage of the years of safety training so all you really need is the basics of how to reload, what is done and why and you are set.  The book that comes with the starter kit, by Richard Lee, is a good one and has decent load data.  I rec as many manuals as you can get  myself just because they all are a little different yet cover what you need and imo the more info the better in anything. And as always if you take the plunge, any questions just ask and we can either answer or find where to find the answer...

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 11:46:26 AM PST

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      •  Getting started (5+ / 0-)

        buddabelly's advice on the Lee starter kit is very good. For very little $$$ you can get started reloading for your Mauser.

        Me? I currently reload for .30-06, 7x57 Mauser and .45 ACP. I got started using the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme kit. This kit pretty much has everything you need to get started.

        I also highly recommend you lay your hands on as many reloading manuals and read them. At least, you need to read all of the front section of those manuals. I currently own the following manuals:
        - ABC's of Reloading
        - Lee
        - Speer
        - Sierra
        - Lyman

        I also went out and purchased those reloading DVD's from Wolf publishing and the Sierra bullet company. These DVD's are great!

        Recently, however, I have gotten bit by the accuracy bug. I now do things like:
        - anneal brass
        - neck turn brass
        - deburr flash holes
        - uniform flash holes
        - purchase more expensive components ... especially projectiles

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        by krwada on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 12:59:39 PM PST

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      •  Here is a link to a chart to date your rifle as (8+ / 0-)

        well as just a ton of info on the rifle.

        List of build dates by serial number and builder.

        Here is a thread I ran across with a pic of a very nice milspec with the sword style bayonet even.

        Mine is a 1899 DWM with the original stock and barrel shortened then drilled and tapped for a scope. She had a period correct (for the sporterization) Unertl scope that I liked but I happened to have a period correct Weaver K6 that I put on her and with my light handloads it has decent accuracy and I really havent worked at trying to find a load that really works yet but I will...  It is considerably more accurate than I am, and it is 113yo and I have not even worked at it yet, it is capable of 1moa or a little less with load work.  These small ring Mausers do not get the respect they deserve..

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 02:39:54 PM PST

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    •  I'm a reloader (8+ / 0-)

      I've been reloading since 2004. Over 200,000 through a Hornady LnL. My neighbor has gotten into the act big time and is loading on my machine as well. Everything from 300WSM to .380.

      I have a grow operation in the basement for flowers and vegies. Guns and geraniums.

      I grew up semi rural in Western Oregon, and almost all Democrats had guns.

      I belong to a gun club where the vast majority of the folks are right wing repubs. It is fun to be a far out liberal around them. Talking facts to fiction is great sport.

      •  Reloading (7+ / 0-)

        Currently, I split my time in the garage between reloading and painting gaming miniatures. It keeps me busy and out of the Missus' way ... which seems to be fine by her.

        Anyhow, I grew up smack dab in the middle of red-neck Central Valley California ... in between Bakersfield and Fresno California, out on a farm, in the middle of no where. The gun culture is / was very strong where I grew up.

        I left guns when I started a family in the early 1980's. I started back in about three years ago or so. I can tell you this, it is very much like meeting an old friend. It is amazing how you can pick all of this stuff back up after such a long hiatus!

        I am also a member of the NRA. I think more progressive / liberal folk should join ... maybe then the culture of the NRA can change ... it did briefly during the 1990's ... then it swung very hard right.

        No more gooper LITE!

        by krwada on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:32:14 PM PST

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        •  I've been tempted to do so (0+ / 0-)

          but then I went to an 'open house' at the local NRA-ILA's clubhouse (which they closed after the election).

          To say I was out-numbered by Tea Partiers is an understatement.

          It did, however, give me the impetus I needed to start the Dem Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri.  I plan on doing much more with that org (and the other Caucuses around the nation) than I could get done as a 'fifth columist' inside the NRA.

          Bowers v. DeVito "...there is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered."
          Director of Merchandising - the Liberal Gun Club
          Interim Chairman - Democratic Gun Owners' Caucus of Missouri

          by ErikO on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 09:50:31 AM PST

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    •  I just started shotshell reloading (5+ / 0-)

      Mostly to control recoil.  I'm really enjoying it, but without buddabelly's help I don't think I'd have been comfortable trying.  
      Hell, I still owe him a range report as soon as my hands behave enough for the typing. (or I find my damn headset so I can dictate)

      •  Uh oh (3+ / 0-)
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        Once you get started ... You cannot stop ... It is like a fever ... the symptoms can only be mitigated by one thing ... more range, or field time followed by more time on the bench!

        Heh!

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        by krwada on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 10:35:27 AM PST

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      •  Well you obviously didnt blow yourself up and (2+ / 0-)
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        that is a major plus, spontaneous dis-assembly of your gun is never a fun experience....once was more than enough for me....

        Hope the recoil was tamed for you, if not I just got some more reduced load data, 3/4 oz loads, I will add it to our message thread.

        Firing that first reload can be nervous making but when that clay explodes it is a hell of a feeling of satisfaction.....

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 02:36:26 PM PST

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