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  •  ya' know, my teabagger landlady made a comment (21+ / 0-)

    She's about to rent to a disabled vet and she made a comment to me about how "no wonder our country's in trouble if we keep paying for disabled vets" and i was Absolutely. Blown. Away.  Given her politics i was stunned at the disconnect between such a comment and her supposed patriotism.  I was speechless and since i already have a policy of non-engagement (tried engaging in past; not worth it) just went on about my business.  But now i'm wondering if there's some underground, growing meme among the teabag crowd, or subculture thereof, about vets/vet care somehow being moochers or another service we "can't afford".

    I know for a few years i've heard budget proposals that call for active and retired service members to contribute more towards their premiums, prescriptions and co-pays.  I've never taken them seriously but have to wonder if there's another front being opened up by the pro-austerity crowd.

    seriously, Lord? legalizing weed finally gets momentum two weeks before Twinkie production stops? kind of a dick move there, Yahweh...

    by bnasley on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 01:08:08 AM PST

    •  They attack benefits for those on the front lines (9+ / 0-)

      … like teachers, cops on the beat, and firefighters — it was just a matter of time till they got around to attacking vets.

      The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

      by lotlizard on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 04:22:52 AM PST

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    •  She doesn't mind using soldiers as brute beasts. (7+ / 0-)

      She's another effing Henry Kissinger.

      •  Henry Kissinger, one of the worlds worst mass (2+ / 0-)
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        murderers, indirectly. Made deals with the Red Chinese to unleash Pol Pot and his minions. Result: 3-5 million dead Cambodians, etc.
        Plus all the other stuff.

        "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

        by Bluefin on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:02:48 PM PST

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    •  I think you're onto something here. My company (13+ / 0-)

      goes out of its way to hire vets, and most all of them are suffering from some kind of physical or psychological problem brought on by their service.  After the repug a-holes--including our senators McCain & Kyl-- voted against the veterans jobs bill, I printed out a list of the un-willing and showed it to our vets.  They were appalled.  I have good reason to suspect that the military vote, which has been largely repug, is undergoing rehabilitation of its own.  I'm very much anti-war, but this battle on behalf of our vets is one I'm geared up to fight to the death.

    •  There is also this. (8+ / 0-)


      The Defense Business Board, a bureau of corporate executives and management consultants established by Donald Rumsfeld, has caused a furor in the military community by proposing to turn the traditional military pension system into a 401(k) plan. TPM noted that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is considering the proposal.
      This is from last year.  Not sure where it stands now.
    •  It fits the profile. (5+ / 0-)

      We love the troops...until they become veterans. Just as we love the fetus...until it becomes a child.

      I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

      by itsjim on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:21:54 AM PST

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    •  You are really suprised at this? Asks this Vietvet (3+ / 0-)
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      who remembers how I and my fellows got treated by the VA under orders from the Reaganauts.

      We are a fucked culture, full of insane dissonances, cognitive and otherwise. "Protect us, Jimmy Bob, and if you're wounded on one or another of the fool's errands your Brass sends you on, kicking ass and taking fire in some idiot ass-y-mmetric war at the end of an 8,000 mile supply line where we have to pay the 'hajjis' bribes not to shoot at our convoys carrying $400-a-gallon fuel to 'the Front,' that cannot, CANNOT ever, be won, we'll care for you."

      And that "Protect us" is bullshit too. Kicking in doors and killing people on the other side of the planet, and being stupid enough to believe that they "pose a threat to the Homeland and (undefined, of course) US interests,) is as they say "counterproductive." When "the mission" is nothing but patrolling to set off IEDs and ambushes and trying to just stay alive and avenge your buddy's death or injury acquired taking part in the same fool's errand, and I defy anyone to say what "the mission" is in Afghanistan any more or was when we invaded, we have already lost.

      One example of what is done in our names: the Phoenix Program (and of course its recent analogs under McChrystal and Petraeus and other assholes, and the boring o9ld "drone program"):

      What actually went on in the precursor to our New, Improved Global Interoperable Hyperbureaucratized Networked Battlespace:

      Common methods of torture used at the interrogation centers included:

          "Rape, gang rape, rape using eels, snakes, or hard objects, and rape followed by murder; electric shock ('the Bell Telephone Hour') rendered by attaching wires to the genitals or other sensitive parts of the body, like the tongue; the 'water treatment'; the 'airplane' in which the prisoner's arms were tied behind the back, and the rope looped over a hook on the ceiling, suspending the prisoner in midair, after which he or she was beaten; beatings with rubber hoses and whips; the use of police dogs to maul prisoners."[14]

      Military intelligence officer K. Milton Osborne witnessed the following use of torture:

          "The use of the insertion of the 6-inch dowel into the canal of one of my detainee's ears, and the tapping through the brain until dead. The starvation to death (in a cage), of a Vietnamese woman who was suspected of being part of the local political education cadre in one of the local villages ... The use of electronic gear such as sealed telephones attached to ... both the women's vaginas and men's testicles [to] shock them into submission."[15]

      Targeted killings

      Lieutenant Vincent Okamoto, an intelligence-liaison officer for the Phoenix Program for two months in 1968 and a recipient of the Distinguished Service Cross said the following:....

      “     The problem was, how do you find the people on the blacklist? It's not like you had their address and telephone number. The normal procedure would be to go into a village and just grab someone and say, 'Where's Nguyen so-and-so?' Half the time the people were so afraid they would not say anything. Then a Phoenix team would take the informant, put a sandbag over his head, poke out two holes so he could see, put commo wire around his neck like a long leash, and walk him through the village and say, 'When we go by Nguyen's house scratch your head.' Then that night Phoenix would come back, knock on the door, and say, 'April Fool, motherfucker.' Whoever answered the door would get wasted. As far as they were concerned whoever answered was a Communist, including family members. Sometimes they'd come back to camp with ears to prove that they killed people.

      Makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it? 'Course, all those "gooks" and "wogs" and "camel jockeys" only get what's coming to them, for daring to stand up to the US Mighty God-Is-Even-Scared-Of-US Military, for resisting invasions of their own homelands and all that...

      I was actually foolish enough to ENLIST, half-believing all the Patriotic bullshit, in 1966, and got to spend a year in that place that was just full of Godless Communists who now make most of the shirts and slacks you and I can buy at WalBlackFridayMart and such places. Just makes you PROUD...

      Just another example of cognitive dissonance coupled with habitual hypocrisy smeared with a thick coating of Limbaughlard wrapped in a tattered flag (Stars&Bars, too often) and obscured by chanting of disingenuous and chimerical myths...

      "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

      by jm214 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 12:13:01 PM PST

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    •  Wow...what a fuckin' biotch. (1+ / 0-)
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      'baggers suck.

      "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

      by Bluefin on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 08:58:19 PM PST

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