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  •  Heh (9+ / 0-)

    So the administration is leading with tax cuts and a few trims to the subsidies in Medicare (no doubt), and inviting the party of small government to counter with the spending cuts they always claim to want.

    Republicans can't refuse to name spending cuts by claiming they'll work it out after the election.  It's after the election, and this is the time to work them out.  So put up or shut up, Pubbies.

    Only thing missing are some significant cuts to Defense and Homeland Security bloat.  Other than that, I'm very happy with what they're characterizing here.  And to think, Republicans are leaking stuff that makes the administration look good.  They must be rusty by now.

    Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

    by Dallasdoc on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 04:21:12 PM PST

    •  Agreed. I think President Obama ought to publish (7+ / 0-)

      this and start a campaign style campaign for it.

      Including specific vote for these items from the Senate saying he's willing to sign it today, and if the GOP stall these specific groups suffer great harm.  

      Let the GOP know we are serious and not going to back down as if they won the election.

      Make them pay a price just even for considering it and holding it up.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 04:48:47 PM PST

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      •  Only flaw with the plan (1+ / 0-)
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        ... is the general lack of spending cuts.  I think the White House should have included substantial but specific Pentagon spending cuts, and reductions in Homeland Security boondoggles.  When Republicans howl about leaving us open to al Qaeda, ask how many advanced jet fighters or nuclear attack submarines al Qaeda has, and whether the equipment we already possess might be adequate to the task.

        Maybe they'll bring these out as a counter to the catfood-for-Grandma cuts the Republicans would name, in the unlikely event they come up with anything specific.  I still expect unemployment benefits to be a powerful hostage Republicans will hold at gunpoint.

        Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

        by Dallasdoc on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 05:07:24 PM PST

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        •  This is good? So, we're going from Bernie (2+ / 0-)
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          HoundDog, vigilant meerkat

          Sanders to Dick Durbin?

          As I’m sure you are aware, there is currently a major effort being waged by Wall Street CEOs, Republicans and some Democrats to do deficit reduction on the backs of the middle class and working families.

          This could mean, among other things, significant cuts to vital programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

          President Obama and the Democrats won a decisive victory on Election Day.  The people have spoken and the Democratic Leadership must make it very clear that they intend to stand with the middle class and working families of our country, and not the Big Money interests.  This means that in the coming weeks and months the Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done in a way that is fair -- and not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor. (emphasis mine)

          Bernie Sanders

          At the same time, Sen. Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat, tapped his ties to the liberal wing of the party to urge a broader deficit deal in 2013 that would include trims to Medicare and other entitlement cuts.

          "We can't be so naive to believe that just taxing the rich will solve our problems," said Durbin, speaking at the influential liberal group called Center for American Progress. "Put everything on the table. Repeat. Everything on the table."

          Dick Durbin

          So, we start out caving again before we've even started?   Can the Democrats never learn from any mistake they've made?  Most people in the U.S. want to tax the rich, but they want the social safety net programs left alone.

          •  Cuts to wasteful providers of durable goods, or to (3+ / 0-)
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            pointless Advantage programs would make Medicare stronger and less vulnerable.  Obama is already cutting defense spending, directing that money to infrastructure.  In what way are these things "caving"?  the fact that the POTUS doesn't tell the Republicans in Congress to fuck themselves is NOT weakness, it's strength.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:37:43 PM PST

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            •  I think Adam Green and Digby nailed it: (0+ / 0-)
              “What’s worried some about the Politico article is that it kind of tossed in reforms or efficiencies along with talk about raising the Medicare retirement age or adjusting the cost of living adjustment — those two things would essentially start a nuclear war on the left,” Green said. “Those are the two big things. Those are benefit cuts. Those actively hurt seniors.”

              Adam Green

              As I wrote earlier, this is not something about which liberals either in the House or outside should trust the administration. The White House already showed its hand a year ago and we would all be fools to think they won't go there again if they can get away with it. Ellison's words are very welcome.

              Digby

              All emphasis mine

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