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  •  Why should the Republicans negotiate (1+ / 0-)
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    ...at all? What do they have to gain?


    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 05:38:25 PM PST

    •  There will be no negotiations. This is all a (4+ / 0-)

      farce.  Boehner, who signed the Norquist pledge himself, has no intention of raising tax rates.  President Obama will not/cannot accept any deal without rate increases.

      We are going over the cliff....

      •  Well then they'll just keep (2+ / 0-)
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        digging themselves in a deeper hole.  Polls indicate that a majority gets that this would be their fault.

        As long as the White House keeps shouting from the rooftops, and publicizing their proposals, the GOP will look like the bad guys.  More than they already do.

        "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

        by La Gitane on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 05:51:46 PM PST

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      •  I don't follow (0+ / 0-)
        Boehner... has no intention of raising tax rates.
        That's a done deal. They are going up. No negotiations required.


        A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

        by Pluto on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 05:52:07 PM PST

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        •  Hence my statement: (2+ / 0-)
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          We are going over the cliff.
          There may agree to some "outline" which will be voted on AFTER Jan 1.  But Boehner is not going to vote for anything that violates the pledge BEFORE that.
          •  I'm crazy to drag this out (0+ / 0-)

            ...and I don't disagree about "going off the cliff."

            But I get the feeling that people have no idea what this (extremely simple) negotiation (pre-2013) is about. All that crap in Geithner's list, above, is a bunch of kabuki to distract the people, as usual.


            A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

            by Pluto on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:18:58 PM PST

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            •  I dunno (1+ / 0-)
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              Seems pretty clear that Boehner is setting up for another debt limit fight, so if they can't get what they want now, they can try to do it later.  Some of these proposals seem intent on forestalling that now while the pres has the most leverage.

      •  Keep asking. Boehner signed the pledge. (0+ / 0-)

        Will he renounce it? He has given his word that he will not negotiate in any way, shape or form.  The Republicans have constructed the cliff, and are determined to push America over it.  All because they promised Norquist they would.

        Did any of us get to vote  yes or no about apointing Norquist sole head of the republican party?  

        Time is a long river.

        by phonegery on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:32:50 PM PST

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