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  •  I've Always Heard Limericks in Standard Dotted- (1+ / 0-)
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    -cut 6/8 triplets: Dotted-1/8, 1/16, 1/8.

    What I hear is:
    There | once, wuzza | man, fromNan | tucket.

    Never
    There | Once was ay | man from Nann | tuck ett.

    The K-I-S-S-I-N-G melody is not 6/8. It's common time march tempo. 4/4 not 6/8.

    Melodic music is intensely vocal but I never heard it having semantics.

    Then there's that world of timing that falls in between simple fractions.

    2 6/8 jigs half-dotted, followed by reels in cut time also half dotted.

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    by Gooserock on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 08:04:13 PM PST

    •  K-i-s-s-i-n-g (0+ / 0-)

      Yup you're right, it's 4/4 but with triplet stuff going on.

      I tried changing the melody right now to dotted eighths and was going to try to reupload it, but it didn't strike me the same way.  I know what you mean.  But seriously, when I recite that first line, I automatically recite it

      There / ONCE was a / MAN from Nan Tucket.  

      You can do it the other way, and that might even be right.  but I found it uncomfortable to recite.  The Nan syllable, for instance, doesn't as readiily squeeze into that 1/16th note as tuck and et do.  I could see tuck and et being 1/16.  

      Wiki has the following verse to a three stanza Nantucket variation:

      /    Then the pair followed Pa to Manhasset,
          Where he still held the cash as an asset,
              But Nan and the man
              Stole the money and ran,
          And as for the bucket, Manhasset.

      "Pair followed" is definitely dotted eigth and two sixteenths, so I see it there.  "Manhasset" poses a problem though because that's a first-class model of a slow-down word.

      I guess the question ought to be, though, what's the classic limerick style.  Eh, I can see it both ways.  Yours would make livelier music, and I grant you that.

    •  The thing about children's chants (1+ / 0-)
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      is the interval of the minor third.  

      Actually, the 6/8 has the feeling, if not the rhythm of a Gilbert and Sullivan patter song.

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      by ramara on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 05:13:27 PM PST

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