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  •  Truly spoken. (7+ / 0-)

    I have little in common with the various groups of socialists, communists, pacifists, feminists and environmentalists when it comes to actual policy. But I rarely pull the lever for the "R" candidate come election day, and I would never consider doing so in a federal election.

    But then these epic battles between the modern GOP and the modern Democratic Party are seldom really about policy in the sense it has always been understood. They don't care about solving problems, they frequently elect to deny that problems even exist (see global warming) so how can they be expected to come up with any policy based solutions to these problems? They don't.

    I might disagree with a liberal about how best to deal with our nation's problem energy. I would favor the construction of new nuclear facilities, whereas a liberal might disagree and suggest wind turbines. The Republican/Authoritarian would start screaming "DRILL, BABY, DRILL!!!!" as if that's not already happening, and it was realistic to think we can afford to continue down that path. Then they'd propose something crazy about abortion and blame sluts for the Cat 4 hurricane about to slam into Boston next March.

    Our politics are now more or less divided between those who are still tethered to reality and those who live in Fox News land.

    You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

    by Eric Stratton on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:57:48 AM PST

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    •  Yep. And the fact that you and a anti-nuker can li (4+ / 0-)

      kely have a far more civil and civilized discussion/debate kind of says it all, no?

      Pretty sad really.  Deliberately destroying the mental health of tens of millions for money, the illusion of power and trinkets...

      •  Well, yeah. And the writer mentions this. (4+ / 0-)

        In the past, the two political parties would get together and negotiate. Based on who had the most leverage, a deal would be hammered out. Maybe the anti-nuke guy didn't get all the wind farms he wanted, but he'd get something. Conversely, the nuclear energy lobbyist might not extract every dime he could from the Ways and Means Committee, but he'd understand that throwing the hippies a bone was good politics and would go a long way toward greasing the legislative gears.

        GOP authoritarians rammed everything they could down our collective throats when they were in power last decade. Now, they adopt a scorched earth policy since they can't get their way. It is indeed sad.

        You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

        by Eric Stratton on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 01:22:37 PM PST

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        •  Reply to Eric and Chris (1+ / 0-)
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          Guys, the conversation between the two of you has restored my hopes for us pulling out of the pit we're in. This is exactly what I was hoping to convey. No two people are alike in their wants, needs, desires, opinions, whatever. But it can't be any other way . . . Given that, there is no one-size-fits-all solution to any problem. The optimal solution to any problem is the one that provides the best return possible for all parties involved. I think the buzzword is "win-win." There are so many advantages to this strategy that it's beyond the scope of this venue to address them all. There is one advantage that I believe trumps all others: Human beings reciprocate. If a person perceives that another is negotiating in good faith and really wants to end up with an optimal solution, that person will reciprocate. If a person believes that another is out to run all over him and stiff him whenever and however he can, he will respond in kind. One's politics have nothing to do with how one approaches one's dealing with others. Where one falls along the RWA scale does. High RWAs treat life and their interactions with others as a zero-sum game and will do whatever they can to "win." It is good to feel like there are people who can respect each other and agree to disagree but still get problems solved . . .

          Oh, and there's this: the payback. It's a motherf**ker. What goes around comes around. Apparently the high RWAs haven't figured that out yet . . .

          "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

          by lartwielder on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:50:49 PM PST

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