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  •  This is a great read and thanks for doing all (1+ / 0-)
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    this work to present well thought-through data and analysis.

    Still, you have to go to motivation, imo.

    Here's the core motivation of the authoritarian mindset: I want to do whatever I want to do, and when I want to, and to whomever I want to, and not get hassled about it.

    It really isn't any more complex than a drive to protect infantile values. These are people who never got over the shock of recognizing that a) there are others, b) these others require something of them which they don't want to do, or to give up.

    All the philosophy [sic], rationales, arguments, perspectives -- yea! even unto a "worldview" -- has this as the motive. Whether the mask is religion, or social darwinism, or exalted sentimentalism... the core purpose of it all is to serve this core motivation.

    They could grow up, but they'd fight any urge to do so to the death --someone's death -- for the most part. Growing up, in any case, is a strictly volunteer effort. Though conditions might be able to be contrived to make it easier to choose to do so.

    The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

    by Jim P on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:36:33 PM PST

    •  Re: thanks for doing all this work . . . (0+ / 0-)

      Hi Jim - I agree with what you've said. I think that what we're seeing is the motivational mindset that is generated by the worldview. You might find Haidt's book a really interesting read. He goes deeply into the morals and motivations and how they came about . . .

      "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

      by lartwielder on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 05:41:58 PM PST

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      •  My angle on it aside, (0+ / 0-)

        you really did a nice job on this. Lots of information, real information, meaningful perspectives, all presented clearly. Admirable work, in fact.

        Do you know the BBC series "Century of the Self"? Since 1920 or so, the worldview now shared by ... well... enough people to matter... has been created by "public relations" people working closely with, first, business and banking, and then with politicians and intelligence agencies. (4 one-hour parts downloadable or streaming

        Basically, professional opinion-shapers and their clients long ago figured out that if you can create a society-wide preoccupation with "appetites taken as identity" -- permanent adolescence in effect -- you've got a malleable society. The wellspring of human actions, internal and external, is what we actually value. Make people value material advantage as the only meaningful reality, and before long (well, about 90 years) you're at widespread nihilism, whether it calls itself religion or science or nothing at all.

        In this connection, how "authoritarian (aka "evil") " world views come to dominate a society, you might be interested in the research done by a body of Polish psychologists who worked underground through the Nazi and Communist tyrannies. They came up with "Ponerology" (the study of evil) and it is a most insightful and useful angle on things. An excerpt from the book here.

        The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

        by Jim P on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:43:33 PM PST

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        •  Re: My angle on it aside (0+ / 0-)

          Hi Jim - Thanks for this follow-up. I was not aware of the the BBC series nor of the research done by the Polish psycologists. I'll definitely follow up with them. Thanks for sharing!

          And thanks for the good words.  :)

          "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

          by lartwielder on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 01:50:30 PM PST

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