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  •  so funny (10+ / 0-)

    I saw it in MA.
    not much clapping, but the movie had everyone's rapped attention.
    IT was clear to all watchers that the postion of those REpublicans, and the politics, are like the Democrats today. They are the ultimate RINO's...Lincoln's REpublican party is not recognizably the party the are today. They only share a name.

    MA voters I talked to quickly understood that today all those Republcans would be Democrats. SO funny the MO voters go by the name alone, not the views or positions. The more liberal party then was the Republicans. Clearly they are switched.

    It's hard to give the REpublican party today any credit (as you seem to). Wierd for them to be proud of it...those people wouldn't last a minute in their party today. Lincoln's Republicans are not Republicans as we know the word.

    •  If I were alive in an earlier era (5+ / 0-)

      I would probably be a Federalist, then a Whig, then a Republican, until roughly the 1890-1910's, when each party began to assume the form they have today in terms of ideology and policies. I'm guessing I wouldn't be the only one.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 06:37:13 AM PST

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    •  The Republican party has been taken over by (12+ / 0-)

      the punitives. I don't know if they learned from punitive religionists or what, but they have cottoned to the idea that influence can be wielded so as to generate support by threatening destruction in the here and now, not just in the after life. It's a grifter's nirvana. All that's required is to scare people enough and they'll send money, which is, of course, much more nourishing than prayers.

      I suppose I am a really slow learner.  But, it took me a long time to realize that priests, unlike nuns and brothers, who sustain themselves by teaching or gardening or even brewing liquor, are in it for the money -- that what they collect after preaching goes into their pockets and the diocese. Perhaps I didn't fully realize it until Baptist congregations, where the ministers are hired and fired and some aggrandizement of the congregation's assets is expected, made it more obvious--especially since the "leaders" of competing churches were being judged on their financial acumen. Establishments of religion are not necessarily ellemosynary enterprises. "Laboring for the Lord" actually gives them a level of autonomy that other corporate CEOs likely envy. Nor should it come as a surprise that commercial properties are being resurrected as churches and sprouting like mushrooms after a rain. Being untaxed seems to be independently attractive, irrespective of the pittance involved. I suspect the attractive element is power, the ability to take or exact services without giving anything back.
      And that's the shtick long practiced by the churches and now adopted by people who want to govern without doing any work.

      The Republican party has become the refuge of scoundrels. Did they learn from religion that it is possible to garner support not just without giving anything in return, but by threatening and then withholding harm? 'Cause that's what Republicans with all their talk of depriving people of health care and education and meaningful employment are up to. They're really nought but the school yard bully grown into an organization, or the hellfire preacher calling down more mundane threats.

      I keep wavering between whether the fear-mongers are genuinely afraid themselves or merely relying on fear to extort material support. At the moment, I'm inclined to the latter. And I'm encouraged by the fact that the fear-mongering Willard was shown the door. It was interesting that he started out referring to his business experience and his predilection for firing people and apparently eschewed any connection to religion. Perhaps the Mormon Church does not deal in fear. But, spreading fear was surely Willard's intent in calling attention to his business strategy. That only 47% were slated to feel his wrath was perhaps a mistake because the number was too large. Perhaps that got translated into "if he's going after almost half, I may be in for it, as well."

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:06:16 AM PST

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    •  Can Lincoln posthumously switch parties? (7+ / 0-)

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:23:40 AM PST

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