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  •  One problem with the Federalists (1+ / 0-)
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    kovie

    Was their desire to limit political power to those with a decent amount of property. That's what made the Jeffersonians more liberal, at least on that issue.

    •  Most of the framers wanted it that way (1+ / 0-)
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      Every Jefferson distrusted democracy. And we have to remember that the push for universal male suffrage was only partly driven by democratic impulses. It was also driven by a desire to register more voters, who tended to vote Democratic the less rich they were, especially in the more urban north, where party bosses like George Clinton dominated politics. But I agree that the Federalists and Whigs were elitists. Can't forget the Whiskey Rebellion, of course.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 06:29:30 PM PST

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      •  Yes. Good points. (1+ / 0-)
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        By 1800, universal male suffrage was a major divide between the parties.

        •  Btw I meant even Jefferson, not every Jefferson (1+ / 0-)
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          And while in the end I obviously believe in universal suffrage, the framers had a point about its dangers, that it would lead to cynical demagogues manipulating unsophisticated voters into electing them. I think their point has been proven beyond any doubt. All the more reason to better educate and enlighten voters, something that Dems have frankly sucked at for years. A smart and knowledgable voter is more often a Dem voter than not. Hopefully, they're getting better at it.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:29:32 PM PST

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