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  •  Very well stated, ksuwildcat (0+ / 0-)

    I think a lot of people watch the tape and feel bad for the guys who were obviously just trying to evacuate their wounded comrade from the scene - and that's human nature.

    What they aren't considering, perhaps, is that soldiers aren't cops, and a battlefield isn't a crime scene. Different rules apply, and for a lot of good reasons.

    What the tape does show VERY clearly is just how bad war sucks, and how impossible asymetric war is to wage from the uniformed side.

    A couple of Apache helicopters shot up a bunch of un-armed civilians walking in the street after mistaking cameras for guns and a telephoto lens for an RPG rocket launcher.... that's my take on it

    Were they following their rules of engagement? Yeah, probably, and that just shows how badly those rules of engagement were.... but how could they have been different on a battlefield?

    The problem is that the Iraqi civilians obviously didn't think they were wandering around a battlefield, even though Apache helicopters were circling and Army troops were nearby in Bradley IFVs and HumVees. And they didn't start acting like they were on a battlefield, even AFTER 8 of their friends were gunned down from above. What did they do? They came back a few minutes later in a van (unfortunately with 2 kids in it, further proof they still didn't realize they were in the middle of a battlefield) to try to get their buddy to the hospital.

    And that's a lot of what just really sucks about asymetrical warfare - it's a different scene for every participant (willing or accidental), and the scene shifts unpredictably.

    That, in large part, is why it is so impossible for the uniformed side to 'win' this type of war, no matter how many wonderful sounding theories and plans our military cooks up.

    The whole damn war was a war crime, but what was shown in the tape was nothing but one more unfortunate incident in a fucked-up war - not a war crime in and of itself.


    Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. Friedrich Schiller

    by databob on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 02:07:13 PM PST

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    •  War sucks (1+ / 0-)
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      its supposed to suck
      its supposed to suck so much you dont choose it unless there is no other way
      I cant stand people who want to make a war nicer
      Dont you understand that if its easy, people will do it more?
      Dont you understand that making it terrible make sit less likely?
      Our goal should be to impose the maximum amount of violence for the shortest possible time not the opposite.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 02:17:11 PM PST

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    •  What a fantastic rewrite of history. (2+ / 0-)
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      raincrow, aliasalias

      There were no "guys trying to evacuate their wounded comrade".

      There was a non-combatant who stopped to help a wounded man.  

      The shit you do would make me vomit if tried to do it for an hour.

      "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

      by JesseCW on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 04:32:35 PM PST

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