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  •  Government derive their just authority from (4+ / 0-)

    the consent of the Governed.

    Uninformed Consent is an oxymoron.

    To the extent that our Government acts without our knowledge, our Government acts unjustly.

    I do find it interesting that those with the lowest regard for an individual right to privacy are almost universally those with the most religious dedication to the protection of state secrets.

    Warrantless wiretaps?  Hell yeah!!!

    Release of information that wasn't Secret or Top Secret, but merely classified?

    Fry the fucker!!!

    "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

    by JesseCW on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 04:21:30 PM PST

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    •  I would not be in favor of executing the guy, (1+ / 0-)
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      and especially not for electrocuting him. Not sure where you got that from. He just should get whatever others who would commit his crimes would get, no more no less. Thats pretty non-controversial, unless you believe that the law shouldnt apply to liberals,

      •  I do not support the Empire you support. (3+ / 0-)
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        I do not support Governance by secret laws and secret acts, as you do.

        I am an American.

        "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

        by JesseCW on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 05:12:06 PM PST

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        •  wow..not a fan of American history eh? (4+ / 0-)
          I am an American.
          So anyone who disagrees with you isn't?

          jeezus

          Obama 2012 http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

          by jiffypop on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 05:34:53 PM PST

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          •  WTF does "not a fan of American history" (0+ / 0-)

            mean?

            I don't know if there's a Daniel Ellsberg for every Tuskegee Airmen story, but your comment smacks of trying to take a cheap shot because you've nothing else of substance to argue.

            "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

            by glorificus on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 08:41:43 PM PST

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        •  The law is a secret? (1+ / 0-)
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          Even i know that military intelligence analysts are not allowed to decide on their own to release 400,000 classified documents. It is no secret.

          And as an american, i thought that i get to participate in elections to choose our leaders. I dont recall ever voting for Manning, yet he assumed the power only presidents have to declassify information. He decided, on behalf of all of us, what he thought we should release. I doubt you would be so dismissive of the law if he were a neocon rightie as opposed to a gay leftie. But that is irrelevant.

    •  HEre's the problem (1+ / 0-)
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      he broke laws enacted by the duly elected representatives of the American people.  

      To the extent that our Government acts without our knowledge, our Government acts unjustly.
      This is naive foolery, because a large majority understand precisely why OUR government must have the ability to keep secrets.  

      Want to change that law? Run for office, or make your case, and if you change the minds of the American people, then the law will change.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:44:11 PM PST

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      •  do Bush, Cheney, Rice, Banksters on White House (1+ / 0-)
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        Street that committed massive fraud (as itemized in Senate Report) face any charges?
        More of that the law is like taxes, it's for the little people.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 01:00:14 AM PST

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        •  If the fraud violated laws, they should be proscut (0+ / 0-)

          prosecuted by our Representatives.  Which is why I'm a little irked certain of our Representatives with the duty to uphold the law.

          Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

          by Mindful Nature on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:09:32 AM PST

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          •  hell even 'savvy businessman' lied to Congress (0+ / 0-)

            but nothing happens to these guys and that includes from the Senate Report by Sen. Carl Levin's two year study using terms like "massive fraud" to describe what they found.

            without the ants the rainforest dies

            by aliasalias on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 01:10:38 PM PST

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      •  Exactly. Cant have, as a matter (0+ / 0-)

        of public policy, everyone in the military deciding what to publicly release and when. So we must make it illegal to do so. No exceptions. Not even for liberals.

    •  some of us (0+ / 0-)

      understand and appreciate democracy.  An appreciation you apparently do not share.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:44:54 PM PST

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      •  If we had elected Manning president, (0+ / 0-)

        He'd have the power to declassify these documents (though if he were responsible he'd first order all of them read to ensure it safe to do so). He ain't the president though. He was democratically elected to nothing. He just assumed powers. That is why he will, and should, serve many years in prison.

      •  and I apologize for the snotty tone, FWIW (0+ / 0-)

        though Doc captures the argument well

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:08:15 AM PST

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        •  It's worth NOTHING. (0+ / 0-)

          "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

          by glorificus on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:46:38 AM PST

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          •  which tells me everything I need to know (0+ / 0-)

            Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

            by Mindful Nature on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:46:41 PM PST

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