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  •  Just Imagine What We Could Have Gotten (3+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, TrueBlueDem, Judge Moonbox

    I agree with you that the fear of money is overblown. As I've pointed out elsewhere, when a community makes a decision no amount of money is going to change it. So, if we stick together we can bankrupt these people.

    However, if we were to completely get money out of politics I suspect we would see massive changes for the better. For one thing you would not see the huge subsidy for fossil fuels we've seen. It is likely we'd have been much further along the road to addressing climate change.

    Same with healthcare. Instead of an anemic Republican healthcare plan that doesn't address the most glaring issue--overall cost to the economy--we'd probably have some kind of full public system that provided all essential healthcare to people out of a progressive tax system.

    Speaking of taxes, without a flood of money, we'd probably see much fairer and more progressive tax rates. Right now the upper 1% of incomes hold over 40% of the country's assets, but they don't pay for anything like 40% of the costs.

    We really need to amend the Constitution to make it clear that constitutional rights only apply to natural persons, not corporations. I think there's some group that's doing that somewhere.

    •  Tricky thing, those constitutional rights. (2+ / 0-)
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      Simplify, a2nite

      Unions and corporations are organizations of persons, and Citizens United applied to both types of organization.

      The same law struck down by Citizens United could have been applied to me and my neighbors had we formed a not-for-profit corporation to educate locals on the environment. BTW, from a free speech standpoint, corporations allow you avoid personal liability -- no small thing when deep pocket types might threaten to sue you into the ground.

      Picture this (fictional, but inspired by a real) situation:

      local town goes on a couple of street and bridge building rampages with little or no regard for the actual environmental impact.  Referenda and candidates are on the ballot.  Maybe even Congressional and/or Senate candidates weighing in on the topic.

      We schedule a meeting 3 weeks before the upcoming election on some marshy areas used by local waterfowl that will be more or less destroyed by a new bridge. We plan to present a video.

      That's very nearly the same scenario as the actual Citizens United case, except we substitute waterfowl for Hillary.

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      by dinotrac on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 09:57:27 AM PST

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      •  Where dies the Constitution mention money? (0+ / 0-)

        I can see some cause to believe that we should be careful if we try to ban campaign contributions, but where does th Constitution mention them?

        At best, your argument that there's a constitutional issue involved requires a penumbra. Also, if anyone actually believed that campaign contributions were speech, why didn't they defend President Clinton when he was caught "listening" to what some foreign contributors had to "say?"

        The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

        by Judge Moonbox on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:19:49 PM PST

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      •  How Does That Help? (0+ / 0-)

        Taking away the rights of corporation does not take away the rights of humans to speak. It just makes it possible for Congress to set reasonable rules for political spending.

        What part of the law do you think you were breaking?

    •  Actually it isn't. What do you think will happen (0+ / 0-)

      when the money side starts paying the major TV stations a fee/bribe not to carry any Democratic campaign ads?  As well as paying ISPs to block/nullroute Democratic websites including DKos?

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:01:45 PM PST

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      •  I Don't Understand This (0+ / 0-)

        If corporations are not protected by constitutional rights, but humans are, how will that suddenly allow the money side to spend more? They are already spending huge amounts. Is this comment a reply to what I said?

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