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  •  We Have No Idea (9+ / 0-)

    Whether the men who killed these young people are Democrats or Republicans. Frankly, it's irrelevant. As long as we don't see that it is our CULTURE that has killed them, and that this culture's messages don't give one whit about political party and infect us all, it won't change and our children will keep dying.

    •  Operative word was "angry", I think (6+ / 0-)

      I agree that D or R is irrelevant, but I don't think that was the point of arealniceguy's comment -- or at least that's not the way I read it.

      I think he was aiming for the fact that there's a booming industry in this country designed to generate political power by keeping a sizable portion of the populace angry and fearful, and to a large extent aiming that anger and fear at anyone visibly "other". Unfortunately, since the target demographic for the incitement is mostly white men, the target demographic for the anger and fear is mostly people with darker skin.

      As long as powerful people can get more power by stoking those flames, we'll be hard pressed to change the ugly facts. And more kids will die.

      I wish I could think of a less horrifying way to end this comment, but maybe that's the point. There isn't one, until we all manage to learn to live with each other civilly. And those of us who are white men have (as a group) by far the most work to do.

      Thank you, shanikka, for your profoundly moving post. If words have power  to change things (and I believe they must, or we're left with only violence), yours have helped us to move in the right direction today.

      "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

      by pragmaticidealist on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 06:53:46 PM PST

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      •  What racist are doing is perpetuating violence. (1+ / 0-)
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        shanikka

        How can they believe that is a good thing?

        Especially when it is our kids.

        But it is changing and will change in the right direction, only way to slow.

        •  Is it, Though? (2+ / 0-)
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          FindingMyVoice, peregrine kate

          After all, the majority of these deaths of innocent young Black men are from 2012. It is happening more, not less, frequently, than it has happened in a very very long time.

          I do still pray every day you are right, though.

          •  I am afraid you are right. (2+ / 0-)
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            shanikka, FourthOfJulyAsburyPark

            But I have believed for almost 60 years that things are getting better.

            It is hard to accept that my optimism is unwarranted.

            Damn.

          •  Are you ald enough to have been a hippie? (4+ / 0-)

            I remember thinking that by 1970 we would all be equal and right would prevail.

            Jeez,  I can't believe that I still think that it is just around the corner.

          •  I think we are moving in the right direction (3+ / 0-)
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            mdmslle, shanikka, surfbird007

            I'm a firm believer in Dr. King's long arc bending toward justice.

            On the other hand, I'm also a realist, and I know that frightened, angry people only get more so when they feel threatened.

            If indeed history is bending away from these small, xenophobic people and their "my people vs. all the rest of you" mentality, then they are sure to feel that bending, and to (rightly) interpret the slow approach of a more just world as a threat to their world view and way of life. They will react badly to this, and will lash out in inappropriate and, all too often, violent ways.

            Though I recognize the horror of it, I think the recent upswing in overt racism in America is a sign that things are getting better in fundamental ways. Racism is becoming less ingrained in our increasingly multicultural society, so the racists have to shout it out more loudly; they can't just assume that everyone else sees what they see. So they become more vocal, and more demonstrative, in response to their slowly growing marginalization.

            I may be wrong, and whether I am or not doesn't change the imperative to speak and act against the violence and the mindset that produces it. But I think - I hope - I'm right. Somehow, it's easier to bear evil if you know its days are numbered.

            "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

            by pragmaticidealist on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 09:57:29 PM PST

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          •  This may have several explanations (0+ / 0-)

            A general rise in violence or sampling error. After all recent examples have more links.    It's take a careful study to address whether there is a real increase

            Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

            by Mindful Nature on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:03:07 PM PST

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