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  •  Also...he's already DONE a bunch of legislation (2+ / 0-)
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    DJDan, rlochow

    his primary need it to just protect the gains he already has.

    ACA, DADT, not going backward on DOMA or START etc

    In 2009-2010, he was trying to make hay with his congressional majorities, which, while substantial, were nothing like what LBJ or FDR had, while the opposition was in complete lockstep.

    He needed a little R support and to hold his whole caucus together, which, remember, wasn't a majority at all without a lot of Blue Dog votes in both houses.

    In 2011 he thought there was one point of agreement with the GOP where he could get some actual legislation done.   Thus the chasing of a grand bargain.   When Bohner couldn't hold his caucus together, Obama said "fuck it" and stopped trying to do deals, instead came back home to his base with some executive orders and the Gay Marriage announcement and economic populism in his stump speeches.

    Obama has no substantive legislation he can do with either the 2010 or 2012 Republican house if they remain in lockstep.   So any threats of being offended by anything he says or offers don't change him from status quo ante....which is they won't deal with him.

    So what he's gonna do, is keep setting traps in an attempt to break some votes free.  Once that has occurred once, there may be other opportunities to do it again (eg, Immigration reform).

    For now the tax expiration is his strongest card, so that is his current lever for trying to break some votes free, especially as his favored outcome requires only the House to vote for it to become law.   So that's what he's doing.

    Should we go over the cliff, I'm sure he has a bunch of other legislation waiting in the wings to harass the R congress.   While implementing Obamacare and hopefully making appointments in the senate post-filibuster-reform.

    •  Can we get DOMA repealed in the next 4 years? (2+ / 0-)
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      The BigotBasher, DSPS owl

      I know it might be pie in the sky, but I think Republicans have realized it's no longer a winning issue for them, and there might be enough in the House who are willing to vote for it, especially those who come from states that have legalized gay marriage and have constituents who are adversely affected by DOMA. Maybe they would be motivated by their newfound desire to appear more inclusive and less extreme on social issues.

      The Senate would be tougher but if filibuster reform happens it might be a possibility. At the very least, it would be good to reopen the debate on the issue, even if it doesn't end up getting repealed right away.

      •  Maybe after 2014 (1+ / 0-)
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        The BigotBasher

        But the Dems will have to have a presidential electorate on a midterm year AND pick off a lot of gerrymandered seats.

        I'm not sure that's any more likely than the Supreme Court striking it down in that period.

        •  But maybe some Republicans would vote for repeal (0+ / 0-)

          Some are from states that have gay marriage and might be inclined to go along. If I thought we could get our own caucus to all vote for it I would be optimistic that we could get enough Republicans. But I know some Dems from conservative districts might balk.

          •  It'd take a lot of Rs (0+ / 0-)

            and as you say the Dem caucus would have to be solid, which isn't a given on this topic.

            In 2014?  Who knows.  It's possible we wouldn't have to take back the house if the winds of change move on far enough.

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