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  •  I think you are conflating states and people. (2+ / 0-)
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    Lepanto, mahakali overdrive

    Your comment starts with "Israel" and "Palestine" and swiches to "Everyone."

    States don't actually have a "right" to exist. They either do or they don't exist.

    And I can't recall any other state but Israel demanding that other entities recognise its "right to exist." That's  a bizare formulation. The usual request is a simple request for recognition.

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    by Flyswatterbanjo on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 08:42:00 PM PST

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    •  What other country has had its right (3+ / 0-)
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      OllieGarkey, Brecht, johnny wurster

      to exist disputed? I believe that's where this is coming from. By "everyone" I meant "every nation" or something to that effect.

      I presume we're on the same side of this issue, so I hope you will listen to me in good faith and recognize that my aim isn't to be contentious but rather conscientious. Again, denying the existence of a nation which does have UN status and which does actually exist sets a dangerous precedent, particularly when singling any one out to continuously legitimize its existence.

      I recognize Palestine's right to exist, for example.

      I recognize the right for various trouble-ridden nations to exist as well. Somalia, for example, exists. Syria exists. Iraq exists. South Sudan, which is a very recent creation, exists. North Korea exists.

      We don't usually question the "right" of any of these nations to exist. So why do we question the right of Israel to "exist"? It's a bit of a moot question. It does exist, factually, and refusing to recognize that is to ontologically and existentially denigrate its citizens, period. I won't see that done to any people on this planet. Not Palestine. Not Israel. Not South Sudan. Not South Africa. Not Libya. No Nation, even a troubled one, should have its very existence questioned because that opens the door to legitimize dehumanization of its populace. If a country ceases to exist, such as Tanganyika, it will be duly noted in all of the history books as a factual incident. Otherwise, it looks like wish-fulfillment of a troubling sort.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 09:12:11 PM PST

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      •  I am listening to you in good faith. Stand down! (0+ / 0-)

        I'm just getting to know you on this issue, so I'm making comments/statements (I guess they should really be questions) to get more info.

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        by Flyswatterbanjo on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 10:07:00 PM PST

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    •  it is a response to those who believe that it does (1+ / 0-)
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      mahakali overdrive

      NOT have a right to exist.  Other than that, I would tend to agree with you.

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