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  •  And so good chatting with you. (1+ / 0-)
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    I consider myself smarter for it.  And I don't feel "side tracked" at all.  You put forth your argument, concisely, and with some good evidence, which humbled me as to how much more there is to know, no matter how much you read and try to keep up with it all.

    Every time I have written a diary, there have been those who disagree with something I said.  I expect that.  You and I have disagreed in the past too, but I always find your comments interesting.   Some deal with the disagreement better than others.  I appreciate the way you dealt with it here.

    And really, I just kind of rattled off Jefferson without much thought.  You have changed the way I think about this, regardless of whether I have the time to read all your suggestions.  Although I WILL read the NYT article you linked, it's just been a kind of busy day all around, in addition to trying to be a good host to my diary.

    It is great to experience consensus, but also great to be challenged.  Thank you for challenging me.

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

    by StellaRay on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 04:47:04 PM PST

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    •  That Jefferson was one of the "greats" (1+ / 0-)
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      has been drummed into us since childhood, so obviously most people are going to accept that on faith, as I too did until a few years ago, so no need to explain or apologize whatsoever. And certainly he was a great man. But he also had a nasty and less appealing side that we need to know about, and although many will disagree with me, I don't think he was one of the great presidents, at least in terms of his policies and governance. He was surely one of the great political leaders in US history, having created the first true political party that eventually became our own (after shedding its southern slaveowning and anti-progressive legacy), and initiating what is still the longest continuous era of one-party rule (although if SCOTUS hadn't stolen the election from Gore and he'd have won reelection, Obama would have been the tail end of a second such era--in fact with Obama's reelection we've just had only the second time in US history with three back to back two term presidents, since Jefferson-Madison-Monroe).

      Here's hoping that Obama follows in the footsteps of the greats.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:00:17 PM PST

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