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  •  A trip to Chancellorsville (11+ / 0-)

    really opened my eyes. Growing up "up north" I was far more familiar with the American Revolution than the Civil War. I live in Texas now, headed for NC next year. Secession is pure idiocy, and those who advocate it are wasting precious time and intellectual bandwidth. We have work to do as a country. Let's get going and stop turning on each other.

    Those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it... in summer school.

    by cassandracarolina on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 07:24:50 PM PST

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    •  Ken Burns Has A Phrase He Uses (14+ / 0-)

      at the start of his 10 hour show on this topic. He says:

      We slaughtered each other wholesale.
      I don't know what other way to say it.

      If you go to Gettsyburg there is a little farm house that was used by the Union as a field hopital. The tour guide will tell you they were cutting off limbs so fast that eventually the pile of them reached the second floor window and they could no longer just throw them out said window..

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 07:35:34 PM PST

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      •  Antietam Battlefield Stunning (6+ / 0-)

        Since I grew up in the Baltimore area,  I visited Gettysburg several time with my family.  For some reason, we never visited Antietam, even though it's just about the same distance away.  It was only as an adult that I visited Antietam with my spouse, in mid-September as it turned out.  

        It's tiny.  I was absolutely gob-smacked by the size of the battlefield, especially as compared to the Gettysburg battlefield.  At Gettysburg, you need a car to try to drive around the entire battlefield in one day.  Even then, a visitor can't see the entire scope of the battle.  At Antietam, a visitor can walk around the entire battlefield in less than a day and see the whole thing.  And, about the same number of troops were involved in both battles, so a knowledgeable visitor can estimate just how crowded Antietam must have been and why it turned into the worst one-day loss of American life in the war.  A soldier on the battlefield would have had a tough time trying to escape being hit given the sheer level of ordnance flying through the air that day.

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 08:17:32 PM PST

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      •  My great grandfather's eldest brother is (3+ / 0-)
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        buried at Gettysburg.

        He died fighting with the MN 1st.

        And the next eldest brother died at Nashville with the MN 7th.

        WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Lives lost trying to earn a living.

        by JayRaye on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 08:35:20 PM PST

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        •  I thought I was familiar with Gettysburg, (1+ / 0-)
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          having visited many times over the years, and having spent a lifetime of vacations visiting historic sites and battlefields from the French & Indian War through the Civil Rights movement.   But, what hit me in the gut was Richard Moe's compelling book, "The Last Full Measure: The Life and Death of the First Minnesota Volunteers".  It crystalized the horrific sacrifice made on battlefields in a way I'd never felt before.

          Your great grandfather's brother was a hero.

          Comfort the afflicted. Afflict the comfortable.

          by FindingMyVoice on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:36:32 AM PST

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          •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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            MN's sometimes brag that the MN 1st won the war in that terrible 15-20 minutes.

            WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Lives lost trying to earn a living.

            by JayRaye on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 02:04:00 PM PST

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            •  I would be hard pressed to disagree with them. (1+ / 0-)
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              Although a new friend at my church might argue differently -- he's a direct descendant of John Buford :)

              History sometimes turns on the extraordinary actions of a few ordinary people...  

              Comfort the afflicted. Afflict the comfortable.

              by FindingMyVoice on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:17:47 PM PST

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              •  yea well, I will admit, he made his contribution (1+ / 0-)
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                Also makes for a better movie.

                Being all but wiped out in 15 minutes makes for a short movie.

                WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Lives lost trying to earn a living.

                by JayRaye on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 06:35:35 PM PST

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                •  ahh, you hit a nerve there- (1+ / 0-)
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                  real life battles are nothing like the movies.  But that's another conversation, no?

                  Great talking with you - wouldn't it be interesting to have a DKos weekend expedition to some historical sites?  I'm spoiled - I live just up the road from Washington's Crossing State Park (on the NJ side), and get to see George & his peeps pile into Durham boats on the PA side & row over to us on Christmas morning.  Always gets a big cheer when they land!

                  Comfort the afflicted. Afflict the comfortable.

                  by FindingMyVoice on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 06:19:40 AM PST

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    •  i live roughly 4 miles from chancellorsville, (3+ / 0-)
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      wilderness and fredericksburg (mary's heights), and have visited most of the rest of the major battlefields (along with lines in petersburg (the crater). to listen to the descendents of many of the confederate participants, the war continues on in their warped little lizard brains, and they will die believing that. yes, they are just that ignorant and stupid, and desperate.

      these people will never, ever, ever accept the fact that their ancestors lost, jim crow no longer prevails, and their numbers are (not quickly enough) dwindling. it's long past time to ignore them and move on. energy spent trying to convince them is energy and time wasted.

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