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  •  If there are a fixed amount of cuts, (2+ / 0-)
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    Coastrange, argomd

    then by shielding the veterans in essence somebody else has to pay. Are vets more deserving than kids or old people or single moms or the handicapped or, well, anybody? Giving more to vets sounds very nice. But the truth is that it is a zero sum game, and somebody, somewhere is going to suffer more if vets get a larger slice.

    •  I may be wrong (3+ / 0-)
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      cany, divineorder, Egalitare

      but I think this is from the Defense Business Board and only addresses cuts to the defense budget. They're the ones trying to find savings and they see this as an easier target than the defense industry.

      "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

      by sceptical observer on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:42:20 PM PST

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    •  Yes, those who agree to risk their lives (4+ / 0-)

      have a markedly higher claim on their society's benefits than do us regular old codgers.  When we've finally figured out how to achieve our desired ends without sending our healthy young people to kill other young people -- then we may begin to understand what we've been expecting of the individuals in the active military all this time.

      The volunteers haven't been asking us whether we had thought this "war" thing through or not, they just said, "if I'm needed, send me."  What's more, they believed the promises made to them.  We made those promises: you, me, all of us who let VietNam and IZ and AF go forward.

      I repeat:  when we stop stupidly asking for such sacrifices, maybe we'll be ready to think responsibly about whose retirement benefits to cut.

      I remain happy to lose another 10 pounds if it will keep a young military spouse and their kids off food stamps for a few weeks.  As it is, I can only hope my meager COLA is lower than that given to veteran beneficiaries.

      (-7.62,-7.33) l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

      by argomd on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 04:07:43 PM PST

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      •  It's a job. (0+ / 0-)

        I dont think our volunteer military is made up of a bunch of super patriots. The military provides all sorts of benefits to enlistees, few of whom actually think they are going to die.

        •  Agreed. (0+ / 0-)

          But those in the active military are on the ground, and the benefits provided to enlistees, bonuses aside, are for the future and for their families.  It is just those future benefits that are being overtly threatened here.  Myself, I don't mind that 20-ish young people believe themselves immortal as a matter of nature (and hormones); we all drive our cars each day thinking that fatal wrecks happen to other people, to those who somehow help cause them.  What matters is that WE KNOW they are putting their lives at risk for OUR current version of patriotism, and many soldiers justify risk to themselves by relying on the promised future benefits to them and their famlies.  I claim it is wrong to abrogate those promises.  

          (-7.62,-7.33) l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

          by argomd on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:46:39 AM PST

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