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  •  The country they founded (8+ / 0-)

    was founded on exclusion of the people already living there. That's not me pulling this out of my hat, that's just a fact. If you choose to ignore that then I'd say you are not in the reality-based universe.

    And Golda Meir said :

    “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It’s not as if we came and threw them out… They didn’t exist.”

    Not sure I'd call that fair-minded.

    •  You ought to produce that entire quote: (2+ / 0-)
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      "There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist."
        That's accurate in a geopolitical sense, though as a cultural matter, it's a whole lot less so. Is there a Kurdish People even though there is no Kurdish nation? I say there is, and therefore I'd argue with that statement.
         But there's a Jewish People too, and Israel was the land they were expelled from, albeit some 1,900 years before the Nation was reconstituted after the Jewish people suffered so much indignity, including attempted genocide against them.
         The matter was decided in the U.N. in 1947, and Israel was attacked repeatedly by armies and by terrorists.
         I don't agree with that statement by Mrs. Meir, but I know that she would gladly have returned those occupied territories and seen a Palestinian State established to have her Nation live in Peace alongside its neighbors.

        Saeb Erekat said back in 2000, when the hope of peace still existed that the conflict there was between those who want peace and those who don't.
         I stand with those who do on both sides. Even though I see the situation clearly, I hold onto the hope, and so I don;t look for who is to blame so much as who is it that can ultimately make peace.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:14:46 PM PST

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      •  The full quote is even worse (0+ / 0-)

        it shows exactly what is wrong with Zionist thinking about Palestine and Palestinians and it is there to comfort those who know they did wrong while sweeping the consquences of their actions under the rug by minimising them. And if you can't understand why Palestinians would feel so offended by this statement, go talk to one.

        As for your contention about Golda Meir returning the OPT, you are wrong. General Matti Peled, who fought to create the Israeli state and was a general in 1967 became a peace activist after the war and advocated the return of the OPT and creating a Palestinian state. He found no takers, not even PM Meir. See the book by Miko Peled, The General's Son for more.

      •  As for the cultural issues (1+ / 0-)
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        you assertions are not entirely correct. Half of Jews are Arab Jews who have a 'culture' that is far more similar to that of Palestinians than that of the Ashkenazi elite. Not only that, they faced discrimination in Israel as well as the loss of their language and culture. As an example see this article on Cafe Noah in Tel Aviv where Arab Jews gathered, often in secret to listen and play Arabic music and the arts. The history of Arab Jews was and to some extent still is denied/diminshed in Euro-cenric/Americanised Israel but people like Ella Shohat whose essays and books analyse the Arab Jewish experience are invaluable in our understanding of this displaced community. And it's ironic since the Modern Hebrew as spoken in Israel owes much to the Arabic language particularly in vocabulary and syntactical structures.

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