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  •  I know the history. (2+ / 0-)
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    PrahaPartizan, highacidity

    Jews and Israelis are not blameless. But neither are the Palestinians nor neighboring and supporting Arab Nations blameless either.
       If you stand on one side or the other, you can pretend that your side is angelic in nature while the rat bastards on the other side have dirt in their souls.
       Just as you point out what one side did, I could read you a litany of what the other side did, and perhaps what they would have done had they prevailed in their attempts to drive the Jews into the Sea.
      I'm not so shocked by people's ability on both sides to ignore their own wrongs and the positions of those on the other side. Even decent people are capable of that.
       But making peace requires each side to get beyond that and to begin to understand how much there is to gain if only you'd give up a little, including the self-righteousness which neither side needs or deserves.

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:32:07 PM PST

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    •  You are (4+ / 0-)

      now moving beyond Israeli innocence and moving into some sort of equivalence between Palestinians and Israelis. There is no equivalence between the people who ethnically cleansed and those who were ethnically cleansed. There is no equivalence between occupier and occupied. The original sin is with the Jews and Israelis who coveted another's land and decided to take it and exclude the original inhabitants. Whatever good reasons the Jews who did that thought they had, to do what they did to Palestinians was wrong. And it needs to be acknowledged before we can move to any sort of future.  

      •  your apriori 'the blame lies with the Jews' (0+ / 0-)

        approach is unhelpful, false, and extremist.  

        Have a nice day.

        •  It is neither a priori (0+ / 0-)

          nor unhelpful nor extremist. It is a priori to not see the injustices done to the Palestinians and only see the case for zionism. It is false, unhelpful and extremist to ignore the very real wrongs done to one side by another. It is false, unhelpful and extremist for one side to seek to impose a solution on another while denying their rights. It is false, unhelpful and extremist to not even hear what people who are suffering are saying.  

          •  if you honestly believe my point-of-view is (0+ / 0-)

            one-sided you have never read (or understood) my posts.

            I have NEVER absolved Israel of blame.  I have never 'only seen the case for Zionism'.  I have never 'not seen the injustices done to Palestinians.'  Ever.  For you to suggest that is ludicrous.  

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