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  •  The way writing is taught to tests, especially, (2+ / 0-)
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    I think is pretty awful.  I remember being taught quite specifically how to lay things out, how many paragraphs to use, how many points to use, how to structure them...  None of which is useful, and all of which makes one a worse writer, in my opinion.

    In terms of math and science teaching, I'm less concerned about testing's effect on teaching, though I do think that focusing on tests results in less enthusiastic / compelling / engaging teaching.  Though I do think that formulas are used without proofs too often.  A lot of stuff just isn't that hard to prove - the Pythagorean theorem, the quadratic formula, basic integration rules, integrating by parts, etc.

    •  Difficulty in grading these tests (2+ / 0-)
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      I also graded tests where they were testing reading comprehension. Some of these student had terrible handwriting, and people wanted to give these papers lower scores. But they met the criteria, they answered the questions indicating they read and understood the text. But some people couldn't handle not downgrading them for the handwriting. But they would get downgraded on the writing test, to downgrade them on the reading test would punish them twice.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:29:51 AM PST

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      •  That's the beauty of the standardized test. They (1+ / 0-)
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        would not be able to downgrade and punish on both sections.

        •  While your posts are irritating... (3+ / 0-)
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          They are helping each of us who see it differently to formulate our arguments better. Other than that you serve very little purpose here.

        •  Doesn't work. (1+ / 0-)
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          When grading writing, either, for consistency, humans are grading based on a formula so rigid as not to cover the full breadth and depth of what can be written, or scores become subjective, which would seem to violate your operational definition of "standardized."

        •  Not true (0+ / 0-)

          They can in fact be downgraded on both sections. Humans grade these. Most people grading them are highly inclined to downgrade people for bad penmanship. You have to keep pounding it into the head of the people grading the tests that there were strict rules for how they were to be graded.

          In any case, even if standardized tests prevented people from being downgraded for writing on a reading comprehension test, this wouldn't demonstrate any "beauty" of standardized tests.

          The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

          by A Citizen on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 02:17:23 PM PST

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          •  Humans by nature are subjective. (0+ / 0-)

            It is absolutely a thing of beauty that a teacher's opinion based on their own prejudices and personal agendas are absent from grading.

            Out here in the real world, one's handwriting might never come into play other than an occasional signature here and there.

            It is a shame that one's penmanship would be judged with as much importance as the content by one teacher and not by another.

            I can imagine that someone with excellent content but awful handwriting would get a different grade based on which person happened to be grading that paper.

            On a standardized test, by definition, it does not matted which machine the bubble sheet was fed into.  How can this not be a preferable?

            •  Virtually all comprehensive standardized tests (0+ / 0-)

              have a written portion.

            •  asdf (0+ / 0-)
              It is absolutely a thing of beauty that a teacher's opinion based on their own prejudices and personal agendas are absent from grading.
              This isn't true. Writing tests obviously are require the students to write. The prejudice and personal agendas are at least as prevalent in standardized testing as they are with a teacher.

              And reading comprehension tests require the students to write. Those grading the tests are have at least as much prejudice as the teacher. Probably more, they aren't teachers, they aren't accustomed to the bad handwriting that children have.

              Multiple choice tests avoid human prejudice, but their ability to test knowledge is limited.

              The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

              by A Citizen on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 01:02:18 PM PST

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            •  It is delusional at worst and uninformed at best (0+ / 0-)

              to believe that standardized tests are subjective.

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