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  •  So we should just ask kids what they (0+ / 0-)

    want to learn about today?

    You don't have any kids, do you?

    •  I have five kids and five grandkids. (6+ / 0-)

      And I have taught literally thousands.

      Like so many, you present a false choice. You suggest that the only choices are standardized testing or turn over all the decisions to the children. While presenting false choices is a common argument strategy, it shows one of two things: that someone is not a particularly strong critical thinker, or that someone likes to argue for argument sake.

    •  Schools and teachers (2+ / 0-)
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      It's not about asking the students what they want to learn. Standardized testing ties the hands of teachers and students. They must teach to the test.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:32:12 AM PST

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      •  They do not have to teach to the test. (1+ / 0-)
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        The tests administered check for the most basic skills.  

        If a teacher has not even taught things like the basic rules of grammar or arithmetic yet, how could they have moved on to other material.  That would be a disservice to the kids, and the test would show such disservice.

        •  As mentioned above by houyhnhnm, (1+ / 0-)
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          Your only argument is a straw man. Of course teachers teach the basics. To claim they don't is ridiculous. To claim a single set of standards and a single set of assessments would "correct the problem" is even more ridiculous.

          BTW, as I mentioned above, you are making more assumptions. Try this one on for size: just because it was taught does in no way mean it was learned. You are focused entirely on the wrong verb.

          •  THere are bad teachers who don't teach the basics. (0+ / 0-)

            How else, other than testing the students would we manifest this.

            If most of the students have not learned basic things taught, by definition it means this teacher is ineffective.

            Why would anyone defend such teacher continue such a disservice on more students, year after year.  If a school has more ineffective teachers than good teachers, such schools should be closed and such teachers should find different careers more suited to them.  

            Teaching isn't for everyone.

            •  Ok (1+ / 0-)
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              We all agree that there are poor teachers and poor schools. Standardized testing is the absolutely wrong way to solve that problem. The poorest teachers are actually already doing this. Now the powers that be want them to do it more.

              Please consider this: you have asked a lot of questions and everyone of them has been answered by someone on this post. Are you listening to these answers? Are you seeking answers or are you simply looking to reinforce your own existing views?

              Finally, consider this: Perhaps we are trying to solve a problem that is being defined incorrectly. Just how poorly are American schools doing in the first place. Stay tuned. and I will try to answer that question in my next diary. Yes, American schools have problems. No, they are not what you think.

              •  Standardized tests are not to SOLVE a problem (0+ / 0-)

                They are to bring a problem to light.

                I agree then that testing without acting on the results of the test is wasting time.

                If the results of the test show that the material has not been learned, then action should be taken to re-teach the material in a more effective method.

                It the compiled testing results show that a school has not been effectively teaching the students, year after year, draconian  methods should be taken in the interest of the children.

                The answer is not to hide problems under the rug by not testing.

                Why is this so hard for you to understand.

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