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  •  "the Jewish people" do not expect that (8+ / 0-)

    these are the actions of the right wing Israeli Government.

    The Jewish people is a much MUCH broader group. so please do not paint all with such a wide brush stroke.

    As the diarist says...even Centerist Israeli's supported this UN measure. IIC

    The majority of "The Jewish People" do not live in Israel and are not represnted by that right wing government.

    You may think this is just semantics but it's important not to paint an entire group of people by the actions of a subset. I can give you examples if you need them. Thanks.

    •  Excellent points jplanner, very well-stated. (2+ / 0-)
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    •  The Israeli people somehow manage to (0+ / 0-)

      tolerate such a government, and the West Bank settlements (since 1973), not to mention the recent bombing of Lebanese infrastructure.  That's bad enough, I think.  I do not condone rocket attacks by Hamas -- they are acts of terrorism-- but also, be it said, of desperation.  The damage is highly disproportionate.  In the past year, something like 3 Israelis died in rocket attacks, and 78 Palestinians from Israeli gun fire. Over this same period, approximately 400 Israelis were killed in automobile accidents.

      In any case, my grandfather brought his family to America from Grodno (in present-day Belarus) in 1908 (in 1908 my father was 12 years old) exactly because he wished not to go to Palestine (there was a Zionist movement even then, so emigration to Palestine was an option).

      My grandfather's reasoning was (in essence) that the Arabs are already there, so why disturb them?

      The hungry judges soon the sentence sign, And wretches hang, that jurymen may dine.

      by magnetics on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 12:24:41 PM PST

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      •  I am not disputing that, just use of JEWISH (0+ / 0-)

        (a religion and  a people) rather than ISRAELI a country

        Bush made immoral war and killed tens of thousands of Iraqi's. Yet half of all Americans re elected him.

        YET his right wing immoral goverment did not stand for us.

        It may be that Bibis actions do not stand for many Israelis either.
        REgardless of that
        it is not just to label all Jews (poster said JEWISH PEOPLE) by the actions of this right wing government of this particular country.

        You needn't argue the other things I don't dispute them

    •  I only wish that AIPAC were not so (0+ / 0-)

      audible a Jewish voice in matters of public policy touching Israel.

      I have Israeli colleagues (one of whom I recently hosted in the US) and we got on very amicably.  He is orthodox, but not ultra.

      He invited me to visit him in Israel (I hedged).  We discussed politics a lot, amicably on the whole.  Without stating it directly I think I gave him to understand that if I lived in Israel, I would likely be part of the Peace Movement there.

      You surely have heard that with three Jews in a room you will have five political parties.

      The hungry judges soon the sentence sign, And wretches hang, that jurymen may dine.

      by magnetics on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 12:30:39 PM PST

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      •  I agree. Most Jews are Dems but they are not heard (0+ / 0-)

        70% at least
        Many are very progressive. Huge movement for Palestinian rights amongst American Jews as well.

        The righties with the money have the voice. As usual...not just true about Jews.

        Jews support Israel's right to exist (ie not die) so Hamas freaks people out...all the "Death to Jews" talk in Arabic but never heard in English...all the "Israel must be pushed into the sea' talk by Arab leaders in Arabic (and in PErsian in Iran) make many Jews firm on that.

        But most want peace and two state plan beyond that. Those that are policially aware ...many (everyone I know...I never met a right wing Jew until the last ten years to be  honest and I grew up amongst Jews on East one I knew was like that.) are horrified and frustrated by the Right wing governmet and the Settlers.

        We need to remember that all ISraeli governments were not this way. Hope something happens t

        I don't think the Israeli people can hack being hit with missles and maintain there desire for peace. I think it's too scary for them. The people are now leaning more right then they did before. Israel needs to stop settlements ASAP and they need to stop the missles. Doesn't matter if they are innefficient. Civillains freak out with the threat while living surrounded by enemies who have the rhetoric they want you dead. It' s human nature. Not saying it's right.

        Foolish foolish righties are screwing up Israeli's chance for peadce and justice. they need ot give carrots to those that renounce violence (West Bank) not just sticks to those who don't

        they give all JEws a bad name.

        AIPAC and Jews:

        Maybe like American and moderate Muslims in a way...I have a lot of Muslim friends from N. Africa. Moderates. The extremists give Muslims a bad name and extremists seem to have a much larger voice than the larger numbers of moderates. My friends lament that every time extremists bomb and kill it gives all Muslims a bad name.

        it's like that

        So when someone says "The Jewish people" for what Right wing Israeli's do, it is wrong and offensive even to many Jews. I'd NEVER say "MUSLIMS" for what extremists do. That would not be fair to over generalize. I speak up whenever Americans do this to all Muslims.

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