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  •  The area we call the west bank (0+ / 0-)

    was part of Jordan before 1967. I would like to see Israel and Jordan work out the border and how the area should be governed.  Which will involve compromise on both sides.  

    •  and before 1947 (5+ / 0-)

      It was a British Mandate, and before 1918, it was an Ottoman dependency.  And neither the Jordanians or the British or the Turks make any active claims to Palestine, and in fact, all of those nations support Palestinian statehood.

      The current king of Jordan, Abdullah, recognizes his border as the Jordan river.  Hence Trans-Jordan (1947-1967) became Jordan.

      And for 45 years it has been governed as a military occupation with no recognition of rights for the indigenous people, and no attempt at annexation, as the spoils of war.

      I don't see the relevance of your weird Jordan reference.

      My question was simple.  Do you recognize the rights of Palestinians to live in Palestine?  Or do you deny the very existence of the Palestinian people, as is in vogue on certain Israeli extremist propaganda sites?

      I have two degrees in ancient languages with a specialization in ancient eastern mediterranean Judaism and early Christianity.  You do realize that there were never only Jewish people living in the levant?  Jews always shared the land with Palestinians.  

      I can't get over the fact that you just justified Israeli colonialism and ethnic cleansing based on 2,000 year old land claims, but couldn't recognize the land claims of millions of indigenous people still living on the land, and currently being ethnically cleansed.  My head is still spinning from the stupid.

      Here's a newsflash: five million Palestinians are not going to conveniently disappear for the sake of your irrational need for a Jewish-only homeland.

      •  When you say five million (0+ / 0-)

        Palestinians, there are between 2.5 and 3 million Palestinians in the west bank. I have advocated, and it may now come to pass, that Gaza will again become part of Egypt like it was pre-1967. Hopefully demilitarized.

        Why can't the Palestinians of the West Bank be given Jordanian citizenship as part of an overall settlement? I don't deny the existance of the Palestinian people, but I don't see the need for a separate Palestinian country, when the neighboring countries--Egypt and Jordan-- share the same religion (Sunni Islam) and language (Arabic) as the Palestinians. Isn't it easier to re-draw the border with Jordan?

        •  I lived in Britain and Ireland for several years (3+ / 0-)

          Me being an American of British, Scottish and Irish ancestry.  You would be surprised by how people who generally look alike, and talk alike, and dress alike, and watch the same TV shows and worship the same god get real picky when it comes to issues of their citizenship and nationality.  

          Seriously, I was one of the people who called your suggestion that Gaza be annexed to Egypt ridiculous.  Not to be disrespectful, I want to explain what I mean.  These solutions apparently make sense to you.  They don't make sense to any of the people actually involved.

          Gaza does not want to be part of Egypt.  Egypt does not want to annex Gaza.  Israel does not want Egypt to annex Gaza.  In your own way you did offer a solution that everyone can agree on: it's a bad idea.

          Same goes for the West Bank.  Jordan doesn't want it.  West Bank Palestinians don't want it.  Israel doesn't want it.  

          Easy solution in your mind, but something none of the people involved actually want.

          Five million Palestinians is just a rounded number.  I am including WB and Gaza, and even some Israeli Palestinians who would relocate to a free Palestine, and Diaspora Palestinians who would also want to relocate to their ancestral land as much as any Jew might long for Israel.  Also taking into account general under-counting of occupied people living in refugee camps and very rapid population growth.

          •  Maybe you're right, (0+ / 0-)

            that none of the parties want it. I'm not so sure. Independant polling agencies could do survey in Gaza and WB whether the people prefer independant state or joining with Egypt (for Gaza) and Jordan (for WB).

    •  Jordan ceded their claims (1+ / 0-)
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      to west bank lands to the PLO in the '80's.

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