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  •  I think you are making an essential point (4+ / 0-)
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    James Kresnik, AgavePup, mosec, cynndara

    about the soul of Occupy and the ultimate impact of Occupy.

    I like it. I think it has really moved the dialog and does help real people in real situations.

    People expected too much from Occupy when they projected their goals onto what they believed they saw. They didn't see what they thought they did.

    There are lots of real critiques to have about Occupy; for myself, it is far too inefficient to get things done when you have a job and other commitments that preclude attending GAs that go on for days. But there are people who can commit to that, and ultimately, that is who drives the group.

    •  But your activism is necessary too! Can you find a (2+ / 0-)
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      badscience, DaNang65

      way to participate with people who have the same issues with time and commitments?  Remember, Occupy is not "them" if you also want to participate.  You have as much right as anyone to make your voice heard.

      •  Oh, I do. (4+ / 0-)

        I am a founding member of the Overpass Light Brigade.

        noise of rain and I started that as an outgrowth of the Wisconsin Uprising [we like to think of that as the "original Occupy" ;-) ] but unlike Occupy, we have been focused on the political. We have some very close ties to Occupy (one of our core members is Occupy) but the flavor of Occupy is very different in every Occupy because it is, as you know, driven by who is in the group and it is very horizontal. We do take some flak nationally sometimes for some of our partisan messages, but we also do a lot of non-partisan messages.

        I think the difference is that we realize that many solutions to the big problems involve activists as well as politics. We are a nation of laws, and while activism can take many forms, if you want to change LAWS you have to involve POLITICS. However, you can work to change laws through changing people's views, and that doesn't have to be directly political. They are intertwined, though.

        •  I LOVE what you guys do! (3+ / 0-)
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          badscience, noise of rain, Stude Dude

          And I never question the efficacy of what you do.  For most of occupy?  Meh, for all the reasons stated by Troubadour and others.  But watching your activities has greatly impressed me.  From politics to empathy (Sikh temple shooting) to community action.  Most impressive.

          Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

          by Smoh on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:33:58 AM PST

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          •  Part of badscience's point (not entirely explicit) (2+ / 0-)
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            Catte Nappe, gulfgal98

            is that Occupy is the ground upon which we build. OLB now has 15 active groups around the country:

            http://overpasslightbrigade.org/...

            and all but one or two are catalyzed through regional Occupy groups. These are very dedicated and active people, and Occupy is the loose network that stitches them together.

            I, for one, dig and respect the Occupy movement, in all of its clumsy and charming and astounding forms.

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