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  •  Hierarchies are a necessity (1+ / 0-)
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    Any movement that eschews hierarchy on a fundamental level seems to me to be doomed to fail/underperform.

    •  I think this is probably true (2+ / 0-)
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      gulfgal98, WB Reeves

      However, I wouldn't give up on Occupy.  Everything is a work in progress and there's no reason why the organization can't grow and change with time.  Or perhaps it will simply inspire a new organization that functions more effectively.  Who knows?  I do believe that Occupy has a valuable role to play and has already managed to do great stuff.  They changed the national discussion and I believe that change has led to the reframing of the debates about tax fairness and the role of government.  For that I am quite grateful.

      "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

      by Triscula on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 10:01:02 AM PST

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      •  This is my belief also (0+ / 0-)

        Any movement will have growing pains and may have to adjust to become more effective.  

        do believe that Occupy has a valuable role to play and has already managed to do great stuff.  They changed the national discussion and I believe that change has led to the reframing of the debates about tax fairness and the role of government.  For that I am quite grateful.

        "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

        by gulfgal98 on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 11:08:29 AM PST

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      •  Isn't the very term 'occupy' redolent of its (0+ / 0-)

        martial and stridently militaristic etymology?
        I am surprised that this word was used and
        embraced by so many to describe a movement
        that appeared to be its complete antithesis.

        Of course, occupying territory, is subtly different
        from holding such, as it implies taking 'ownership',
        and all of the other classically defined terms of property,
        along with its symptomatic potentials for abuse.

        Unfortunately, most of the places occupy 'chose'
        had long ago been 'owned' by all of us commonly
        as citizens. So were their occupations basically against
        the right of people to collectively own and pay for
        common spaces? Not in my reading, but to many others
        this was somewhat of a logical dichotomy.

        Kind of like the war on ... everything, used as a functional
        descriptor for every talking point and rhetorical flourish
        illustrating each separate and often divergent binary
        issue or policy that may or may not gore your own ox.

        Regardless of the grammar, or venue, I found the effort
        to raise the issues of economic inequality to be heartening,
        even knowing that activists of all stripes were very familiar with
        this concept years before zuccotti captured the eyes of the world.

        I suppose the breadth and depth of our economic crisis
        helped to finally accentuate this long festering discontent
        among the terminally incurious members of the 'media',
        who do not widely share a frame of reference for the 99%.
        And Occupy deserves credit for at least that achievement.

        This movement shared much with others before it.
        Youth, energy, angst, impatience with the status quo.
        If there is one commonality I would choose disenfranchisement.
        When one is jobless, or homeless, or generally feeling
        displaced or discarded from the order of society, what
        other options are available? Were the least of these
        absent from our public commons pre occupy? Not at all.
        When one has the freedom to engage, the freedom to
        do exactly the opposite must also be inexorably granted.

        Like many other assemblages, it was and is not monolithic.
        Like anonymous, there were and are some who
        seek such opportunity to further their own interests,
        all too willing to exploit structural extremities for less
        than egalitarian purposes. This too, is a very old story.

        I found it very entertaining that those who denounce
        the court jester melodrama of government and politics
        as 'kabuki', are only too willing to engage in their own
        street theater of the absurd, to much of the same result.
        It was the perfect spectator diversion for a non election year.

        For better or worse, the Occupy GA failures to remain,
        or forced removals due to a lack of coherent sustainability
        translated into a larger and fuller political engagement is
        fundamentally related to the principals of its founders.

        In other words, this was their desire. I found it refreshing,
        no matter how ineffectual it may or not ultimately prove to be.
        This was clear to me, from its onset, so I did not expect
        much more than media consumable moments I saw.
        The dialogue has been changed. That is more than
        enough to enter this movement into the pages of history.

        There is, however, a clear connection between our very
        own hierarchy-less thought and meme 'creator' and the
        very idea of occupy. The ancient, but recently occupy revived
        biblical concept of the Jubilee is a prominent theme in his definitive
        and thought provoking social history on the 'owership' society.

        What remain to be seen is if the model occupy presents
        can be used functionally to represent and foster the interests
        of the majority in an ever injust and unequal world.
        Probably not the easiest sale pitch to make to anyone
        else who does not already share your distinct outlook.

        It could be argued that the present convergence of global
        environmental, economic, and sociopolitical stress with an ever
        expanding communications ability presents the best
        opportunity in decades to appeal to what may be
        a most receptive and not yet fully engaged audience.

        Thanks for all of your efforts.

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