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  •  All but this ... (3+ / 0-)
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    boudi08, CA wildwoman, Creosote

    When I read about pitting old against young, especially from you Jesse, it brings me to the point of tears.  

    Bigotry is old.  It is also bad.  It is not bad because it is old.  It is bad because it is wrong.

    Democracy is old.  It is pretty damn good.  It is neither good nor bad because it is old.

    Wait until the day when you apply for a job as the most obviously well-qualified candidate, and nobody calls you back because they decide you are too old.  I did pioneering work in my field, all of it relevant to today, all of it progressive.  But people who do that kind of work today no longer recognize me, because I came from a time before internet self-promotion.  And yet here I am doing my best work.

    Ageism has to come out of the progressive agenda now.

    •  My deepest apologies (12+ / 0-)

      You've given me much to think about. I didn't mean to offend on the basis of age, rather at the stubbornness in republicans to do the wrong thing over and over again.

      I give you the words of the immortal Puck as a humble plea for forgiveness.

      [Last lines]
      Puck: If we shadows have offended, / Think but this, and all is mended, / That you have but slumber'd here / While these visions did appear. / And this weak and idle theme, / No more yielding but a dream, / Gentles, do not reprehend: / If you pardon we will mend. / Else the Puck a liar call. / Give me your hands, if we be friends, / And Robin shall restore amends.

      Regulate banks, not vaginas

      by MinistryOfTruth on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 04:05:04 PM PST

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    •  I didn't really see it as 'agism', but simply a (2+ / 0-)
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      leema, CA wildwoman

      recognition of the demographics of current voters.  After the election, there were exit poll graphs that showed it starkly.  Older voters voted Republican, younger ones Democratic.  Whites voted Republican, PoC voted Democratic.  Men voted Republican, women Democratic.  Etc, etc, etc.  Sure, there were plenty of exceptions to those statements - none of it was binary, 100% voting blocks... Plenty of old white guys voted Dem as well, but the majority of them went Repub.

      But MOT isn't saying they voted as they did because they were old - correlation is not causality.  Age was merely another factor among many that correlated with Republican tendencies, in large part for the simple fact that the Republican party used to be far more sane, even if it was just as wrong on policy in the past.  So voters who were old enough to have grown up under less of the crazy weren't as willing to relinquish their party identity, despite the preponderance of crazy currently on display.  And in spite of the fact that Republican candidates and current officeholders are trying everything they can to cast the old back into poverty by slashing services we've established to help keep them out of poverty.

      •  Considering (0+ / 0-)

        Considering the size of Jesse's megaphone, and the importance of Occupy as a movement of the people, I think fine sculpting of the message is appropriate.  And in fact, the movement just might be responsive to it with this as a case in point.  [I don't see Jesse and I as being in conflict but rather in a dialectic among kin.]

        Imagine if you were mayor of Camden, and imagine that statistics just happened to say that the majority of drug dealers were black.  You should not consider the very idea of getting on the public record saying anything such as "Camden is no place for black drug dealers."  

        Of course Camden is no place for any drug dealers of any kind, whether they be black, or old, or what-have-you.

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