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  •  car dealerships (7+ / 0-)

    lit up every night year-round here in salt lake city.

    Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

    by jlms qkw on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 10:20:14 AM PST

    •  That's for security, and I would think a (2+ / 0-)
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      jim in IA, davidincleveland

      legitimate concern.  The amount of money they could lose if they miss someone walking around their lot at night just scratching paint or doing worse is incredible.  Their insurance company probably mandates that as a part of their policy.  And a fence wouldn't help, unless it was solid and 12 feet high, which would not make it an inviting place to go shop.

      They should have lighting designed to point downward and where they need the coverage so as not to spill sideways or up into the sky, but I have no problems with a car dealership or other hard-to-secure-but-with-expensive-easily-damaged-items business from taking protective measures.

      •  is lighting up half the city (2+ / 0-)
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        jim in IA, cynndara

        the only way to protect their inventory? maybe they should built a warehouse with big fat windows then.  

        Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

        by jlms qkw on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 11:12:29 AM PST

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      •  except I used to sell car dealership lighting (8+ / 0-)

        and it is NOT for security.  It's to create a sales floor.  They aim for 100 footcandles on the front line, with 60 back towards the buildings.

        That's how much is needed to light a professional sports field.

        For security, you need somewhere between 5 and 10 footcandles.

        On the bright (haha) side, that lighting source is not incandescent, it is Metal Halide and that is more efficient than incandescent.  (but less efficient than High Pressure Sodium which is the slightly pinkish lights in street lights and on roadways and some parking lots).  The metal halide renders colors much better than the HPS, so that's important in particular settings (like sales and sports).

        Also, yes, car dealerships (and most parking lots anymore) use downward facing lights.  There are lots of reasons for this, but light pollution is the biggest and most cities now have some standards for that.

        If you took the greed out of Wall Street all you’d have left is pavement ~Robert Reich

        by k8dd8d on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 11:12:46 AM PST

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        •  You're saying there's no security benefit? Then (2+ / 0-)
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          jim in IA, davidincleveland

          why are they left on all night?  There's no sales for most of the night-time.

          •  I'm saying they don't need all of them left on (8+ / 0-)

            every night for security.  If they are leaving them all on every night, it is a complete waste of energy.  They should have one or two fixtures that have a side floodlight on it that would cover security, or, barring that, have the circuitry where they could have all but one or two fixtures go off on a timer, like 9-10pm.

            Most of those lights are either 400 or 1000 watt EACH.  They are putting something like 10 times the energy needed for security by lighting the whole lot to 100 footcandles.

            The reason they have all that light is not security, it is sales, and obviously, someone doesn't understand what they are wasting by leaving them on.

            Or they think it's worth it on the chance someone will drive by at 2am and see a car they want to come back and buy.  I've actually heard that argument in the lighting industry.

            If you took the greed out of Wall Street all you’d have left is pavement ~Robert Reich

            by k8dd8d on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 11:36:38 AM PST

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            •  What About 'Rotating' the Spotlight (0+ / 0-)

              ...on a night by night basis? For example, the used '59 Bel Air might get highlighted on the last Tuesday of the month, and the 'late model' Fleetwood 75 would get highlighted on the last Wednesday, etc.

              best,

              john

              Strange that a harp of thousand strings should keep in tune so long

              by jabney on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 12:40:34 PM PST

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