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  •  Creepy = threatening (5+ / 0-)
    For much of this year, I notice the five incandescent lights in your garage are turned ON. It doesn't seem to matter what time of day.
    I need to make a couple of assumptions based on what I see when I drive by.
    It's easy to follow our habits and forget some simple actions that can have some big consequences.
    (emphasis is all mine, of course)

    Reframe this in your mind to see it from the recipient's point of view, and I think you'll see how this becomes a bit creepy. An anonymous letter, with specific observations of behaviors of the residents? Given a complete lack of context (again, an anonymous letter that shows up unsolicited and unprovoked in your mailbox, or on your doorstep). How do you feel?

    Who is the recipient? If the recipient of the letter is a young woman living alone, is it creepy then? Is it a black couple in a predominantly white neighborhood? Or a gay couple in the south? Is the same letter creepy then?

    I'm asking if it's creepy because creepy is threatening. Creepy means it creates a feeling of fear. A fear of what? Of a threat. A threat of what? Of "sneaking in and smashing them with a ball bat?" Of physical violation or personal injury?

    Does it matter?

    It crosses a line. Anonymous (and particularly anonymous) actions like this are cowardly and detrimental to the cause. It's smug, masturbatory, "gee aren't we clever" self-congratulatory pap that can - in the wrong situation - create fear and actively work against the very cause you're looking to support, and it should be called out as such.

    •  I agree with winsock (5+ / 0-)

      What is threatening at all?  The fact that our homes are visible to others??  I notice all kinds of things about my neighbors' homes when I drive by; the level of landscaping, whether they leave stuff in the yard, questionable paint choices, etc.  And, I know from talking to neighbors that we all do the same thing ("Did you notice that Bob and Mary removed all those trees from their yard?" etc.).  

      And dwindling resources is an issue that affects us all; to some extent, we do need to engage our neighbors in the discussion, and this note does the trick (although again, maybe it could have been toned down).

      There isn't a "right" answer of course; if you think it's creepy, it's creepy to you.  But, I think your opinion would be in the minority if you polled any random group.

      •  Driving by and shouting, leaving unsigned letters (2+ / 0-)
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        Reasonable people can discuss things, but driving (oh, the irony! Driving!) past his neighbors house shouting "turn OFF Your Stupid Lights!" and leaving an anonymous, unsigned letter in their mailbox is not "engaging our neighbors in the discussion."

        If anything, he's merely frightened his neighbor into compliance with his demands. He's no better than a bully.

        •  Not a bully (4+ / 0-)

          Sorry, that's where I think you lose the argument.  You feel that it's threatening/creepy, etc.  You're obviously entitled to your own opinion about how you'd feel finding this note in your mailbox.

          But, you're way off base saying that it's the actions of a bully.  A bully intentionally intimidates others by threats or use of force.  Besides the fact that you're ascribing intent to the diarist based on nothing but your imagination, there is nothing even remotely threatening in the note.  

          If we (collectively) need to develop better skills in talking to others, we also need to develop better listening skills that don't look for every reason to be offended or frightened.

        •  Only a *very* UNreasonable kossak would read (0+ / 0-)

          this diary and assume that Jim was shouting loud enough for the neighbors to hear, while he was driving by in his car.

          Reasonable people can discuss things, but driving (oh, the irony! Driving!) past his neighbors house shouting "turn OFF Your Stupid Lights!"
          If we make the (entirely unwarranted but charitable) assumption that you knew better, when you accused the diarist of disturbing the peace and committing noise pollution from his vehicle, we are all left to conclude that you are bullying the diarist with this comment, which builds on previous rude comments to him in his own diary.

          Project much? "Don't be a dick in someone else's diary" isn't just a community suggestion at the Great Orange Satan. It is a rule, laid on us all by the site's owner/founder/moderator. Don't make me snitch on you by keeping it up. I will do so with pleasure; I dislike bullies who accuse others of their own antisocial behavior.

          Don't even reply to being called out here. Threadjacking has been against the rules here since before I joined, and you are on the edge of that now. If you wish to respond to me, or want to keep trashing this diarist, write your own screed.  

          Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

          by davidincleveland on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:03:55 PM PST

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    •  Creepy (4+ / 0-)

      The recipient of the note might find it annoying and unpleasant.  But the writer is very clear about where he lives (he is a neighbor) and how he comes to drive by the lit-up garage (on his way to and from work).  The "consequences" that are mentioned are clearly the financial costs of leaving the lights on and the costs in using up earth's resources.  I don't see anything threatening bodily harm to anyone -- not even hinted at no matter how you squint at the note.

      I actually tend to agree with some of your points.  But filing a police report, etc., etc., strikes me as overreacting.

      Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

      by winsock on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 12:52:47 PM PST

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      •  What you find merely "annoying and unpleasant"... (4+ / 0-)

        ...others (such as myself) may perceive as creepy and threatening because of their background, experience, family status, and general condition. It's my job to keep my family safe, and that includes reporting situations where I feel threatened. It's up to the police to determine if I'm overreacting.

        And it's none of Jim's god damn business what kind of lights I use, why I use them, or for how long I use them.

        •  Unless you, AaronA, are the one who got Jim's note (0+ / 0-)
          ..it's none of Jim's god damn business what kind of lights I use.
          Jim hasn't tried to tell you, AaronA, what kind of lights to use. Therefore, it is none of your business what Jim wrote, in his letter or in this diary. Your conduct here has been uncivil and personally insulting to the diarist. If you bother to reply to this comment, please ensure that your reply includes an apology to Jim, the diarist, for your rude, insulting, and pejorative statements about him. Reply without an apology and I'll forward it to site admin. Consider this your final warning in this diary, where you have broken several site rules by your behavior in this thread.

          Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

          by davidincleveland on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:16:14 PM PST

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