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  •  On an individual basis and as a limited (5+ / 0-)

    charity.

    It is a great idea given the alternatives at the moment, but gjohnsit is pointing out the fact that there are few far reaching good alternatives to this charity at the moment.

    It is a situation that is on a par with charities for homeless vets - while I think that the effort is honorable - the fact that we have so many homeless vets after they've served their country and been screwed up by their service to such a degree that they end up in the streets is the part that is kind of bullshit.  Seems to me that we should have better safety nets for veterans so that we don't have a problem that is left only to charities and fate.

    •  True (6+ / 0-)

      Any effort at relief should be celebrated, but the majority of work should be directed at a more permanent fix so relief efforts like this aren't needed anymore.

      ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

      by gjohnsit on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 06:10:33 AM PST

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      •  We probably should do both - and use (5+ / 0-)

        this effort to raise awareness of the enormity of the problem.

        •  We should do everything (3+ / 0-)
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          that we can and can be done to help remedy every social ill all the time anyway.
          Always.
          No?

          •  Of course. (5+ / 0-)

            I think that's basically what I was saying - however you need to keep in mind that the Conservatives and Republicans and all of the wackos in that arena make the argument that charity can replace government - so an initiative like this one needs to be held up not as a "solution" to the problem because it really can't ever be comprehensive enough to solve it - but as a stop gap measure until such time as the government and medical community do what they should be doing to keep people from losing everything as a result of serious illness.

            Florida used to have a homestead law which basically said that no one could take a person's house to satisfy a debt.  That was enacted to incentivize seniors to retire there way back when.  It wouldn't help people who rent, but it would protect some people from this kind of tragic economic destruction.  A law like that isn't the solution necessarily, but there are things that could be done - laws that could be enacted - single payer would be awesome...

            •  how cool (4+ / 0-)
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              that what you just wrote is discussion inspired by direct action.

              I always felt more could be accomplished with an "inclusion, inclusion, always, always" credo, only tempered by the obvious--what one can do with what can be done.

              I know you don't disagree, and appreciate your response, but as someone prone, if not fated, to over-analysis, the more I distill the less I forget to sing.

              :)

      •  'Working toward permanent fix' resources (4+ / 0-)
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        PNHP

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        by divineorder on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:50:11 AM PST

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