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  •  Krugman, as usual, understands this situation (28+ / 0-)

    in today's column:

    In the ongoing battle of the budget, President Obama has done something very cruel. Declaring that this time he won’t negotiate with himself, he has refused to lay out a proposal reflecting what he thinks Republicans want. Instead, he has demanded that Republicans themselves say, explicitly, what they want. And guess what: They can’t or won’t do it.

    No, really. While there has been a lot of bluster from the G.O.P. about how we should reduce the deficit with spending cuts, not tax increases, no leading figures on the Republican side have been able or willing to specify what, exactly, they want to cut.

    And there’s a reason for this reticence. The fact is that Republican posturing on the deficit has always been a con game, a play on the innumeracy of voters and reporters. Now Mr. Obama has demanded that the G.O.P. put up or shut up — and the response is an aggrieved mumble.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 10:19:31 AM PST

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    •  R's saw this on Cops & are real skittish (7+ / 0-)

      Undercover cop playing hooker: "Ok baby tell me exactly what it is you want?"

      The Orange Boner, "You ain't a cop are ya?"

      Just like a Cops episode it won't end well for these dicks either.

      Time makes more converts than reason. Thomas Paine, Common Sense

      by VTCC73 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 10:31:27 AM PST

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    •  Make them own the cuts (6+ / 0-)

      This is important ( and obvious stuff) no one who advocates deep cuts or even worse the idiocy of austerity remains popular for long  - even if they were in the first place, which is not the case the here.

      If they insist on going down this road, make them ask for it nay demand with specificity and then nail their specific actions and proposals to them in future election cycles.

      We did a really good job of this sort of thing this time round. If they insist on persisting with unpopular policies, let them be defined by those policies.

      hope springs eternal

      by ahyums on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 12:23:52 PM PST

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      •  There are about 2 million people who will lose (3+ / 0-)
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        their Unemployment Insurance while Congress plays one-upsmanship. I agree that it feels good to be on the winning side for a change, but their games hurt real people.

        •  Of course they do (2+ / 0-)
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          but the point is whatever the outcome two things are important, first get the best possible deal we can, second ensure that their actions have electoral consequences, so that way the longer term future is protected.

          It's not about playing games for their own sake it's about making the best we can of them when the other side is determined to play them.

          hope springs eternal

          by ahyums on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 02:57:34 PM PST

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