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  •  Okay, be insulting ad hominem. (2+ / 0-)
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    mickT, joanneleon

    You're saying that the initial assessments said it was likely we would reach this point in the intervention in Syria?  The assertion is self-evident, and the outcomes show little or no skill or realistic planning.  Botched but not accidental.

    Not very skilful, the Syria job.  Blame the Russians.  Right.

    Relatively bloodless?  Tell that to the 10,000 or so Libyans who died.  But, when did the local body count ever mean anything.  Adroit response - now, that would be a great trade name for a DoD consulting firm.

    •  ad hominem what? (0+ / 0-)

      Nice try. Meanwhile, you still don't know wtf you're talking about.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 10:55:55 AM PST

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      •  How have you demonstrated expertise or even the (2+ / 0-)
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        ability to intuitively forecast this sort of disaster.

        At least I had the Libyan-Syrian regime change and MANPAD pipeline right, first, within a day.  See my last half dozen or so diaries.  

        Show me your analyses.  What do you have to point to on this subject?

    •  Exactly how has the U.S. intervened? (1+ / 0-)
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      The current bloodbath in Syria has exactly zero to do with any U.S. action. Zero, silch, nada. The U.S. didn't start it, aid it, encourage it, or anything else. It's totally home grown. It's the end result of decades of simmering ethnic tensions inside a military dictatorship. You could look up the previous iteration, during which Assad's father destroyed an entire city and most of its inhabitants to crush a threat to his rule.

      Continued insistence that the U.S. is the evil hidden hand behind the current Syrian civil war speaks for itself, and disqualifies your ideas from serious consideration.

      •  We didn't do it alone, but here's the chron (3+ / 0-)
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        For at least five years prior to Feb 2011, the US supported, trained and equipped Syrian opposition groups in exile.  Not too surprising, but its documented in the purloined State Dept. cables

        The "revolution" by most accounts had its start on Feb. 2.   There were no significant demonstrations in Syria until a protest in Damascus involving a couple hundred people on February 15.  That first mass protest followed the internet Call for Days of Rage issued from London and Paris a few days earlier.

        Same chain of events happened, virtually simultaneously in Benghazi. The pattern in both countries, focused on these two cities, was broadly as follows:

        Week One: The Twitter Factor - exile groups promote “Days of Rage.” Largely ignored.
        Week Two: Demonstrations grow, calls for overthrow of regime. A few serious casualties.
        Week Three: Militants shoot at police and demonstrators during riots, Police/Army overrreact, massacres.
        Week Four, and thereafter: Mob Anger, Storming of Gov't buildings, arsenals looted, troops attacked, foreign fighters and al Qaeda carry out bombings, civil war.
        Coverage of events by “liberal” western media fixates on Week Three: PR for Islamic Revolution and "humanitarian intervention."

        Daraa, a city near the Jordanian border in Southern Syria, was the site of the first armed clashes and massacres in early April.

        Bloodshed in Syria developed within the context of armed uprising that followed the events in Daraa of April 8.  The violence that day led to the arrival two weeks later of large number of government troops.   Violence in Daraa is key to understanding how the insurrection was sparked and why the use of force by the regime escalated.

        There were three key actions that sparked the crackdown in Daraa: 1) snipers, 2) the burning of the Ba'ath Party Headquarters by a large, armed mob, and 3) the killing of 19 policemen and security personnel.

        8 April – "Friday of Resistance"
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        Unknown Gunmen Filmed at Syria Demo
        (YouTube: Associated Press.)
        8 April 2011. Retrieved 9 April 2011.
        Protests in Duma near Damascus

        On the third Friday called "Friday of Resistance", thousands of protesters took to streets in Daraa, Latakia, Tartus, Edlib, Baniyas, Qamishli, Homs and the Damascus suburb of Harasta, in the largest protest yet.

        27 anti-government protesters were killed in Daraa and many other were wounded when security forces opened fire with rubber bullets and live rounds to disperse stone-throwing protesters. The clashes started when thousands of prayers staged rallies following the Friday prayers. In a telephone call one of the activists told the news agencies that demonstrators, starting from three mosques, have marched to the city's main court where they were confronted by security forces dressed in civilian clothing. A witness told Reuters he saw "snipers on roofs." It was also reported that another resident has seen "pools of blood and three bodies" in the Mahatta area of Daraa. The protesters have also smashed a stone statue of Basil al-Assad, the brother of the current President of the country, and set fire to a Ba'ath Party outpost. The state-run Syrian Television reported that 19 police officers and members of the security forces have been killed in Daraa.

        You may view the original AP Raw Feed from Daraa on April 8 which shows the mob and the snipers, here: - (URL for:

        Raw Video: Deadly Day of Protests in Syria - YouTube
        ► 1:13► 1:13 Apr 8, 2011 - 1 min - Uploaded by AssociatedPress
        State-run Syrian TV says 19 police officers and security forces have been killed in southern city of Daraa. (April 8)


      •  you are deluding yourself. (1+ / 0-)
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        the US could have stopped that in a minute in its early stages.

        Without (US sanctioned) Turkey, and Gulf support this rebellion would have run out of steam months ago.

        "Und wer nicht tanzen will am Schluss - weiß noch nicht dass er tanzen muss", Rammstein, "Amerika"

        by cris0000 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 03:59:55 PM PST

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