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  •  Michonne Doesn't Know She's w/ Andrea's (3+ / 0-)
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    old group.

    Her confrontation with Andrea would have gone a completely different direction had she only said "I'm here with Rick to rescue Glenn and Maggie from this monster.
    Unless I missed something, Michonne never figured out that Rick is Andrea's old leader.

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    by Aspe4 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:10:38 AM PST

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    •  Correct, the connection has not been made yet (2+ / 0-)
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      So in that situation between Andrea and Michonne, it really is Andrea who bows and betrays The Gov, if you replay the scene the Gov has no clue Andrea is there.

      He is lying in agony on the ground.

      Andrea betrays the Gov loyalty and their relationship. Just because she didn't go running off into the sunset with Michonne doesn't mean she abandoned her.

      We also have six episodes to go, so this dynamic isn't finished yet.

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      by idbecrazyif on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:31:56 AM PST

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    •  That's part of the bothersome illogic, though. (6+ / 0-)
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      Andrea and Michonne spent 8/9 months together; there's a couple of scenes this season where Andrea asks about Michonne's history, and references that Michonne knows everything about her (Andrea).  It's just hard to believe that, unless Michonne is too stupid for words, she couldn't put two and two together -- particularly if she knows that Glen, Maggie, Carl and Hershel are part of Andrea's group.  Now, if she's crazy, as some have said she is in the GN series, that might explain it; but in the t.v. series, she's not been portrayed that way at all.  Rather, the closest character I can think of to compare her to is Snake Pliskin, an anti-social paranoic with little or no emotional attachment to anyone or anything, but with an incredible will to survive and extraordinary survival skills -- but part of those survival skills is the ability to keep track of one's surroundings (so as to detect all of the threats), which, again, would tend to suggest that she should be able to make the connection between Andrea and Rick et al.  

      For myself, I think it makes more sense that she does recognize the connection, but doesn't particularly care to explain anything to anyone -- part of the anti-social paranoic thing.  In that sense, I think her desire to join up with the group may reflect her assessment that Rick's group has demonstrated greater survival skills, of a type that she respects, and is willing to go along with, at least temporarily.  

      But I would also say that, that's just what I'm reading into it -- she just hasn't been developed enough as a character for her motives to be understandable in any meaningful sense.  

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      by Jbearlaw on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:55:21 AM PST

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      •  Follow up: Explain Michonne not knowing Merle (4+ / 0-)
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        was part of Andrea's group.  Merle and Glen have a conversation in which it is explicitly discussed that Merle was part of Glen's group in Atlanta, and Michonne is eavesdropping on the whole conversation.  

        It just doesn't make sense.  Michonne has to know this is Andrea's old group, because Andrea has explained how she knows Merle, and that he was part of her group.  

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        by Jbearlaw on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 09:54:57 AM PST

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        •  Michonne thinks the group abandoned Andrea (2+ / 0-)
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          but went back for Merle.

          She knows that Daryl is Merle's brother, and hasn't known him long enough to learn his not like Merle.

          Right now, they're the people who ditched her friend to die in the woods but risked everything to save a sadistic racist psychopath.

          She doesn't trust them.

          Up until the last episode, her overall plan may well have been to try to get Andrea to leave with her, so the two of them could survive on the road without having to put up with any of the various dickheads who want to be in charge of the respective groups.

          If she tells them she knows Andrea, and that Andrea is there, that option kind of disappears.

          This is just very different than the comic - Andrea and Michonne were entirely dependent on each other for the whole winter...and now Michonne thinks she's going to lose her no matter how she plays it.

          And she has to deal with the fact that Andrea let her walk away once, and then kicked her out when she came back.

          She just lost the only friend she had and the only human being she's had any trust in for months.  

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          by JesseCW on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 10:35:46 AM PST

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          •  Maybe. But that admits that she knows . . . (0+ / 0-)

            that it's Andrea's old group, which is the opposite of what Aspe4 was saying, and which I was refuting.  

            My problem with your explanation (which I will admit is probably the closest thing to a logical one based on what little has been developed so far) is that it doesn't really explain why she wouldn't tell Andrea that she was there with her old group.  Further, and more bothersome, she made no effort to find Andrea -- she abandoned the group in order to find what the Governor was hiding.  Following your line of reasoning, this would be explainable on the basis that she was seeking evidence that would persuade Andrea that the Gov. was hiding something despicable, in order to persuade Andrea to leave with her.  Why then, would she not say something to Andrea, when Andrea walks in on her, the injured Gov., various heads scattered about, and Penny laying there?  I know she's supposed to be a character of few words, but come on.  The Gov. already sent Merle and a squad out to kill her when she left; she has to know that Andrea's best and likely only chance is to get out with Michonne, now, and yet she says nothing at all.  

            It'll be interesting to see where they go with it, but they need to do some real work to start fleshing out Michonne.  

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            by Jbearlaw on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 12:23:36 PM PST

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