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    Good stuff as always on stuff that is completely off my radar.  The early (both props and jets) designs are really interesting because all they had was intuition and some lab work.  They even had to add bits to the F-102 (descendant of the XF-92) to comply with the area rule to get it supersonic.

    “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

    by markdd on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 09:33:17 AM PST

    •  True! The area-ruled F-106... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...was MUCH faster than the old F-102, and according to some of my friends, handled much better, too. At least, the ANG units enjoyed the 'Six'!

      'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

      by shortfinals on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:30:10 AM PST

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      •  One of the stories about the F-106 (1+ / 0-)
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        was that it was the "ultimate" interceptor, built to 'fix' the teething issues of the F-102.  In the end, way more F-102's were built than F-106's.  They also both lived in 'the missiles will solve everything' world of fighters.

        “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

        by markdd on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:46:59 AM PST

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        •  If you think the USAF had a case of... (2+ / 0-)
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          'missile madness', it was as NOTHING compared to what happened in the UK!

          Duncan Sandys, single-handedly WRECKED the British military aircraft industry....(he had been an officer in charge of a 'Z' battery of 3" anti-aircraft rockets, during WW2)..more on that in the diary on the E.E. P.1b !!

          'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

          by shortfinals on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 10:52:28 AM PST

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          •  IIRC the only Beyond Visual Range (1+ / 0-)
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            missile strike in USAF history resulted in an F-105 shooting down a B-52.

            The F-104's only hope was to hit the bombers on the approach, cause it would take too long to turn around and come back to engage from the rear.  The F-102 and -106 came equipped with 6-8 missiles and couldn't do much after they were launched.

            “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

            by markdd on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 11:58:47 AM PST

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            •  Certainly, BVR set-ups are the very worst... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...according to data I have seen, some 'lock-ups' were refused by Allied Forces radars in Desert Storm  despite being well-identified by other means as Iraqi!

              'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

              by shortfinals on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 01:15:10 PM PST

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              •  We lost an EF-111 in Desert Storm that way (3+ / 0-)
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                An F-15 "buddy locked" him and the 111 went defensive and hit the ground while trying to evade.

                If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

                by Major Kong on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:20:26 PM PST

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        •  The "six" was a great airframe (3+ / 0-)
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          Unfortunately it was saddled with terrible missiles (Hughes Falcons).

          Since it carried its weapons internally it was prohibitive to fit it with different missiles.

          If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

          by Major Kong on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 03:18:40 PM PST

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          •  If my aged brain still functions... (1+ / 0-)
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            ..I believe there was a NUCLEAR Falcon - the AIM-26A - which was carried on the 'Deuce', although I don't think the 'Six' carried it routinely.....

            'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

            by shortfinals on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 04:17:02 AM PST

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            •  Well close only counts (0+ / 0-)

              in horseshoes, hand grenades and hydrogen bombs

              “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

              by markdd on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 12:56:41 PM PST

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