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  •  one-state solution is the end of a protected (6+ / 0-)

    homeland for Jewish people.  Anyone who believes that Jews would be secure in a Palestinian-dominated Israel is not grounded in reality.  Just as Palestinians are denied rights in the W. Bank/Gaza--the situation would be flipped over.  

    This is not a 'solution'.

    •  You did write "I think everyone on this site" (1+ / 0-)
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      I think everyone on this site as well as most Democrats and American Jews support a two-state solution.  That's hardly controversial.
      Now that you know that "everyone on this site" does not agree with that statement I hope you phrase it differently next time.

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      by stargaze on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 09:40:52 AM PST

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    •  PS: I don't think "one state" will be easy (3+ / 0-)
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      However it's what's left.
      "2-state" has been made pragmatically unworkable.
      The current situation isn't sustainable.

      The boss needs you, you don't need him. -- France general strike, May 1968

      by stargaze on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 09:41:13 AM PST

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    •  Then they will have done it to themselves (3+ / 0-)
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      Bibi and his crew, with their neo-apartheid treatment of the descendents of the people that groups like Irgun helped to drive out, have systematically rendered a two-state solution untenable. There's been too much bad blood, and too much grabbing of land. Two many Palestinian farmers pushed off the lands of their forefathers to make way for Israeli settlers from around the world. Too much of Israel thumbing its nose at the rest of the world, as though its excesses would never be called to account.
      Now all that's left are two choices - a one state solution, or the simple genocide of the Palestinians to make the problem go away. There's no other way out of the place Bibi has taken his country. Which do you think is more likely to happen?

      “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?” - Rumi

      by Jaxpagan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 12:05:47 PM PST

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      •  neither. (3+ / 0-)

        There IS no one-state solution--with EITHER side as the majority.

        Solve this with 2 states, or maintain the status quo.  Nothing else will happen.

        •  Three states, but no one much (2+ / 0-)
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          brings that up.

          One-state solutions only create the same problem that exists right now, only inverting it. It would eventually result in the same conflicts and violence and colonialism and even apartheid in the future. It's not advocated by those who care for civil equality and rights very often for this reason.

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          by mahakali overdrive on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 03:50:02 PM PST

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          •  Cause that's how it's panned out in South Africa? (0+ / 0-)

            “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?” - Rumi

            by Jaxpagan on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 02:54:07 AM PST

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            •  Not quite following here (0+ / 0-)

              This comment is very much said in good faith as well as a pretty strong knowledge of South Africa's troubled history. Can you help me understand what you're responding to in regard to South Africa? I'm not sure what you're saying here and whether you're talking about Free State and KwaZulu-Natal or Lesotho or... help me out here, thanks!

              Or are you talking about changing power dominance from one group to the hands of another, in South Africa that would be from the NP to the ANC with other representation like Inkatha? But these are political parties, and the ANC is committed to being multiracial. So help me out how this is like the three-state solution or the one-state solution (I wasn't sure which you meant)?

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              by mahakali overdrive on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 07:35:39 AM PST

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    •  The people who need to be aware of this fact (1+ / 0-)
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      (and I presume they are at some level) are the Israeli politicians who are driving the settlements.  They may have convinced themselves and their constituents that they can continue this process indefinitely - but Israel lives within the community of nations, and my expectation is that eventually conditions in the West Bank and Gaza will get bad enough that an end to the settlements will be imposed on Israel by the rest of the world.  

      If I had to guess, I would say that it is likely to take the form of a two-pronged choice: either a single state with full enfranchisement for all the Palestinians, or a simple roll-back to the 1967 borders and a Palestinian State.  And the stick to enforce that will be something with teeth, as for instance excluding the Israeli Central Bank from interbank transfers or some such thing.

      I'm certainly not in favor of anything getting to that point.  But the one thing that is completely obvious, is that if something can't go on it won't.  And the current situation in the Occupied Territories simply cannot be sustained.

    •  The one state could have a constitutional (0+ / 0-)

      structure with guarantees for both nationalities that is part of a treaty with international guarantors, including the U.S., and the presence on the ground of an international military force.

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 09:24:08 AM PST

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