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  •  But it is (5+ / 0-)

    seldom legal owners who are at issue--criminal activity and acts by people who are currently prohibited from having guns in the first place, are responsible for the majority of the problem. Prohibiting more people is not the answer. Better enforcement of current law, stricter reporting requirements for the NICS database and funding for same, making mental health treatment more available, improved education opportunities, drug legalization, jobs... all these would help more, and are actually doable, rather than passing controversial laws that will have little impact.

    Tipped and rec'd for the discussion.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 11:52:52 AM PST

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    •  I agree in whole and I am not arguing for totality (0+ / 0-)

      in any ban. I don't mind people owning guns, purchasing them, etc..

      I just take issue with the ease of which criminality bypasses laws by taking advantage of loopholes in existing laws because they are so varied from state to state.

      If we could just enforce universally across all states some of the existing regulations some states enforce, it would do wonders to prevent guns from reaching streets and ending up into the hands of an adolescent who perhaps has zero time to conclude the repercussions that discharging that weapon at another human being has.

      I only argue it because I've lived it. I've known people who that was standard MO. They would drive down to Alabama, or Georgia, or wherever. They would meet someone at a gun show, or dealerships that happen to be owned by a single person. Purchase a trunk full of weapons and then drive back up and sell them out of the back of the trunk.

      There has got to be a better way to prevent that

      --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

      by idbecrazyif on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 12:03:05 PM PST

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      •  Enforcement. (3+ / 0-)
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        The scenario you describe is currently unlawful. A licensed dealer is required--and most will do so immediately--to report suspicious purchases by possible straw purchasers or others, like guys with out of state plates wanting buttloads of weapons and ammo. Transporting said goods across state lines for sale is also prohibited.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 01:46:34 PM PST

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        •  But its not out of state, perhaps I missed there (2+ / 0-)
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          The person goes down, meets someone who lives there already, this proxy purchase happens not at the show but later after the show.

          This happens, often, I know this because I have personally known people in gangs and how they acquire their weapons.

          Hell I've seen the trunks full of weapons.

          And they are supposed to report it, but they very often do not.

          --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

          by idbecrazyif on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 01:54:45 PM PST

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          •  I understand. (3+ / 0-)
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            But this is illegal already. Proxy buyers--straw purchasers is the usual term--are themselves violating federal law. Any dealer who knowingly does business with a straw purchaser can lose his license, which most are not willing to risk. No license, no income. Plus, they would know where these weapons are going, and what they're going to be used for.

            What you're describing is a gun running operation, and most legitimate businesses aren't going to want anything to do with it.

            These guys are already breaking the law, so I believe enforcement is the answer--another law won't put a stop to their activities.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 02:13:08 PM PST

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