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  •  You're right. She likely was covering her (5+ / 0-)

    "don't be weak on Defense if you are a Democrat" flank.

    I think we pretty much agree on the past, you and I.

    What will happen in the future?  Personally, I'd love to see a very liberal Democrat trounce the Republicans in 2016 after taking control of the House in 2014.

    To do that, I will likely support the most powerful Democrat running for president who supports the poor and middle class.  If I start hearing any Third Way crap or see a build-up of DLC types, I would drop support of that person in a heartbeat.  I won't vote for a "non-crazy Republican."

    Only a Democrat.

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 02:30:51 PM PST

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    •  I mean I won't support her nomination (1+ / 0-)
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      which means practically nothing, I know ....

      and my support in the general is also meaningless.

      if I'm still here and not totally disgusted by the whole thing, I'll do what I did this year, send some little $ to people I like in other races ... if the D nominee is Clinton or Cuomo.

      hopefully it's neither.

      Hillary is far too wedded to the DLC types I think. And beyond her politics ... look at how she ran her 2008 primary campaign - she hired the wrong people, they wasted money, squandered gettable votes in caucus states .... this does not speak well to her ability to manage a winning campaign.

      We need a nominee with ability to win.

      anyway, good to talk to you. yes, we agree on a lot.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 03:00:03 PM PST

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      •  If we can't do better than this cast (4+ / 0-)
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        of played out, corrupt "centrist" hacks in 2016, I'm out.

        More importantly, perhaps, we are permanently, irredeemably, hopelessly screwed.

        Who knows? Maybe someone will notice the gaping irradiating sinkholes in the fracking states... You know, the 1% eating the planet...



        Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. Rosa Luxemburg

        by chuckvw on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 03:22:39 PM PST

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        •  Chuck, the one thing I've noticed over the years (1+ / 0-)
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          is that what happens in politics is always a surprise.

          When Bush won the first time, who would have guessed that a Republican Senator would switch sides?  Or that Lieberman would support McCain? (ok, that's predictable).  

          But there are big surprises from time to time.  And the equation changes.

          I'm pleasantly surprised by Obama's hard-nosed (so far) negotiating tactics.  I hope he keeps his leftward slant more than just during the lame duck period before the new Congress is seated.  Frankly, imho, he gave away too much without a fight during the previous 4 years.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:27:16 PM PST

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      •  I definitely agree with everything you just wrote. (1+ / 0-)
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        I did the same thing this year too: supported good local Ds, plus Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Duckworth and a couple others.

        I like what Obama is doing so far after the election, but had some real personal issues with his policies in the past. Who gets my vote for president doesn't matter -- yet -- because I live in a blue county in a very red state.  But demographics are changing that.  

        I 'd love to have Ann Richards back.  She was a great governor and an authentic person.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:23:58 PM PST

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