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  •  "The villagers are here, Dr. Frankenstein." (16+ / 0-)

    The diabilities treaty was defeated today because the full-blown monster, "paranoia" rules 38 of the Republican Party.
    Enough already.
    What I'd like to see; what I'd love to see, is a good million person wheelchair roll and all the support they need from other disabled persons. Many would be veterans. To watch as the Repubs, looking out on the mall, saw that!
    I picture a heavy drumroll to solemn chants of, "Face the music," and lots and lots of cameras.
    If they are going to paranoically shiver down in the bunker anyway, lest the Teabags bang on the door, wouldn't this, at least, be a real threat?
    It's only a dream...but, damn.

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:32:02 PM PST

    •  Area 51 Black Helicopter Alien Anal Mind probe (9+ / 0-)

      Conspiracy theory trumps compassion and common sense.

      The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

      by JML9999 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:43:07 PM PST

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    •  Send 'em to Salt Lake City (8+ / 0-)

      Right to Mike Lee's office and to the head quarters of the LDS church (the biggest political player in the state) and on over to Orrin's place. Humiliate these bastards and the state along with them. I'm disgusted.

      "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

      by high uintas on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 09:27:26 PM PST

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      •  It's also time for LDS to own up to Joseph Smith (0+ / 0-)

        and his White Horse Prophecy megalomania.

        All of it the result of misreading the Book of Revelation and falling for the "conqueror." His hero in the WHP still leads Mormon males to think there's going to be "One Mighty and Strong" who becomes President of the United States and sets up a theocracy led by the SLCT Elders.

        (For Christians this "conqueror" is the final Anti-Christ. The Revelation is not a sequential poem, so this figure appears more than once. Smith didn't know much about the Bible and didn't care to learn more about it than tent-revival slogans.)

    •  Deprivators deprive. That's what those who lust (2+ / 0-)
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      for power are about. Their intent is to injure whomever they can get away with--i.e. least likely or able to fight back. The deprivators we have elected to public office are clever crooks. They have figured out how to inflict injury and deprivation by doing nothing. However, they are not like the people who passed by while the good Samaritan stopped to help. No, they're different because, as public officials, they were actually hired and are paid to serve. So, when they don't carry out their obligations, they are being insubordinate and perpetrating a fraud in collecting their pay. That used to be called featherbedding in the railroad industry.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 01:51:52 AM PST

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      •  Right on!! (0+ / 0-)

        I couldn't agree more that most of our politicians in this country have forgotten why they were elected and sent to Washington, forgotten that they are in a position to serve. Why in the world do we keep sending the same damn people up there and then expect something to change. That said, we should keep in mind that while many people in the country don't like John Boehner or Harry Reed, they were both elected by their respective constituencies just like all the other politicians we have in DC. What this should show is that its not just a small group of Republicans or Democrats in congress, rather its that the country as a whole disagrees on such fundamental issues. This is particularly more noticeable in the House because each member is elected by a smaller group than the members of the Senate. We can only hope that if the Republicans are voting against something, they are doing so because it is what the people who voted for them want them to do whether the rest of the districts agree with it or not.

        •  Entertainers. (0+ / 0-)

          When candidates for public office are paraded around like entertainers and the media are trained on their personal attributes, speaking ability and even singing, the electorate is left with little to choose from. And for this situation, the political parties are largely to blame. For quite a long time, the political parties divided up the electorate between them with Republicans focused more on punishment (law to being order) and Democrats promising rewards to the compliant. More recently, Republicans have figured out that promising punishment and then withholding it from their supporters is both easy and cost effective. The party of doing nothing becomes attractive when the alternative is deprivation. Democrats, on the other hand, have been reduced to the role of the good Samaritan, trying to compensate for the fact that the pirates have the goods locked up.

          Predators deprive to survive. When humans act like predators, they attack indirectly by restricting access to the necessities of life. The right to private property helps them. Not necessarily, but because we have failed to insist that ownership comes with an obligation to share the fruits of our assets. Predators, I suspect, don't share voluntarily. When they learn to share, they are like the wolves who have evolved into dogs. We say they are domesticated. Obviously, a goodly number of humans aren't.

          Imagine Little Red Riding Hood compromising with the wolf.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:16:05 AM PST

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          •  You got my hopes up.. (0+ / 0-)

            I was right there with you, right up to the point where you tried to explain to me why you think the Republican politicians are attractive to some voters. Your belief that people vote for Republicans because they are afraid of being deprived is no different than the radical right saying people vote for Democrats because they want to be lazy and have everything handed to them. I understand that is how you apparently view the Republican political strategy, don't imply that it is anything more than an opinion. You see the Republicans refusing to give something to people as deprivation, I see Democrats giving things to people as deprivation. Let me explain.

            Democrats, on the other hand, have been reduced to the role of the good Samaritan, trying to compensate for the fact that the pirates have the goods locked up.
            I don't see that Democrats have been reduced or even forced into this role, rather have chosen it as a differing technique to maintain their power. All politicians give political favors. It is corrupt, it is wrong, it should be stopped, but it is NOT one sided. When the Democrats offer an extra year of unemployment benefits, which benefitted a statistically left leaning group of people, it is just as corrupt as the Republicans giving tax breaks or subsidies to large corporations. Securing loans for green energy companies is no less corrupt than doing so for oil companies. They are both using tax-payer’s dollars to buy votes and remain in power. Where the Democrat’s genius shines is that they are, ironically, buying the cheaper votes which turns into more votes per dollar. They are also getting the added benefit of getting people used to relying on the government for things they would otherwise have to acquire on their own. I say ironically because if you look at government as a business, that is a very ingenious business plan. It’s very similar to the business plan of Wal-Mart. They go in to a small town or community and offer the same or similar products at a much lower price than the local stores and all in one location which makes it much more convenient for the consumer. Eventually, the local stores close and now the whole town has no other option but to shop at Wal-Mart. This business model has worked extremely well for Wal-Mart, to the point where now most everyone despises Wal-Mart but they shop there anyway because they have few to no other options.

            In regards to the predator comments; if you look at it from a strict food chain standpoint, humans are animals, we are natural born predators and we are the top of the food chain. The problem with your “Little Red Riding Hood” analogy is that it involves two different species. While many animal species do co-exist together quite well, others do not (hence wolves and humans). More to what I perceive was the point of that, whether you want to believe it or not every American is just as human as every other American. The only differences are our upbringing, experiences, and natural born abilities. Just like in any group of animals, there are the alphas and there are the ones who make up the rest of the group. Those alphas are your “1%”. Unfortunately, just like in any other animal group, not everyone is born to be an Alpha. You’re looking at it as if the alphas are making the decision as to who can and cannot be an alpha and that they are preventing you from being one. That’s simply not the case. Again, just like in the animal world, if you decided you wanted to be an alpha and had the skill sets to accomplish that, you would already be an Alpha. One thing you don’t see in the animal world is the rest of the pack/herd/whatever rising up against the Alpha unless they have another Alpha to take its place. Where Americans have evolved above the rest of the animal world and what makes us exceptional is where we have molded a form of government that presents every individual equal opportunity for success. The kind of “equality” you’re looking for doesn’t exist, never will, and wouldn’t work if it did. Someone has to lead, and what makes America unique and prosperous is that, unlike every other country, our Alphas are NOT all employed by the government. Look at Russia, or China, or Nazi Germany. That is what happens when the government becomes the sole power. We have to put our trust in our political leaders, but we have to diligently watch them to make sure out trust isn’t misplaced in order to maintain our power as individuals over them. If we become completely reliant on government, lose that power.

            We the people can eradicate homelessness in America, not the government. We the people can feed all the starving children, not the government. We the people create jobs and build wealth, not government. The government’s role in the whole thing is solely to protect our rights and freedoms so we can continue to do so; the rest is up to us as a society. There’s a saying: “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.” We can’t just take money from the people that have figured out how to earn it and give it to those who don’t. We have to teach people the skills they need to earn it themselves and we need to teach them to be responsible with it so they have some saved up when and if they do lose their job or when they reach retirement. The real problem is not the starving children or the homeless people; they are symptoms of the problem. The problem is that we’ve been relying on the government to educate our kids and no one wants to admit that the

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