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  •  This diary is intellectually incoherent... (5+ / 0-)

    ...regardless of questions concerning the diarist's history. Either Rice was part of a failure to intervene in the Rwandan genocide or is an interventionist hawk who recklessly sent us into Libya... she is, in fact, both... but criticizing her in both directions in half a breath suggests there's little consistency in the diarist's own feelings on foreign policy.

    Rice, as part of the Clinton administration, failed to intervene in Rwanda, and that was the wrong move (one that she substantially regrets, by most accounts).

    From various sources, she appears to have been a significant vote in favor of the Libya intervention. That was the right move. The suggestion that foreign intervention can never be done for purely humanitarian purposes is not a "progressive" concept.

    There are valid points to be raised about her current positions on African affairs, to be discussed in a rational weighing of her merits. This ain't it.

    Keystone, in this matter, is a distraction.

    •  I thought it was rich (5+ / 0-)

      to criticize Rice's advocacy of action against Sudan in 2006.  After all, these pages were all aghast at the genocide in Darfur, and now we're supposed to oppose someone who advocated actually doing something about it?

      Weird.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:13:57 PM PST

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    •  This is the troubling part for me too (2+ / 0-)
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      I can't quite get at what the diarist is saying - is failing to intervene in Rwanda the problem, or being an interventionist neoliberal (per Nichols)?

      The Atlantic Piece which was linked also says that she became more interventionist because of the Rwanda incident.  Now, maybe the pendulum went too far the other way.   I think as you say we could use a rational weighing of the merits.  But as I've been trying to push with my comments in this diary, a rational weighing of the merits is a burden on BOTH sides - critics and supporters.  

    •  Read up on what she was doing (1+ / 0-)
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      in the Congo, or with Rwanda and Uganda against the Congo. From what I have found so far, it changed my mind.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

      by GustavMahler on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:15:09 PM PST

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