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  •  Still if it's technology (2+ / 0-)
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    It's an engineering problem. That implies that one should be
    should be able to write a specification.  I'm not sure we're there yet.   If it's conscious, what does it do, what requires consciousness as a prerequisite etc.  No metaphysics there, just "The machine shall do X".   Note that a specification like "The machine shall pass a TBD Turing test on 9 out of 10 trials" might not require any mention of consciousness.  It might be better to simply drop the use of that word - at least until a definition is available.

    P.S.  I'm not really sure that consciousness even exists and if it does it might be nothing more than a reaction to mental events that have already happened.  

    •  Ultimately, the issue here is that (3+ / 0-)
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      Dumbo, xgy2, Reston history guy

      we can't prove that anyone has consciousness except ourselves.  We take it for granted that others share that consciousness because they say they do and we act in similar ways.

      P.S.  I'm not really sure that consciousness even exists and if it does it might be nothing more than a reaction to mental events that have already happened.
      If it's a reaction to mental events that have already happened then it still exists.  Consciousness clearly does exist, it's just a matter of describing the terms of that existence.  It might be that we're never able to come to a good description of that, but since I experience it I can guarantee it exists.

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:11:10 PM PST

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    •  definitions... (1+ / 0-)
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      P.S.  I'm not really sure that consciousness even exists and if it does it might be nothing more than a reaction to mental events that have already happened.
      That's closer to where I stand.  I think consciousness exists, but that our understanding of it is colored by vanity.  

      I'm a relativist, so on the one hand, I'm quite content to say that I and all my thoughts and ideas exist and are real, and then to say that you and your thought and also all thoughts that might be generated by a simulated consciousness are real too... but from a different point of view that I'm not privy to.  

      There doesn't seem to be an agreed -to universal definition of consciousness or artificial consciousness.  It seems to be used to mean "kinda like how a human thinks, sort of."  Anything more specific gets shot down in short order as not being adequate to describe our own consciousness in some specific way.

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