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  •  I don't understand the point of the treaty (0+ / 0-)

    My morning paper said that the UN treaty was based on the Americans with Disabilites Act.

    But we already have that Act written into law.  So what does signing a treaty based on existing law do differently?

    If we want changes made to American law, don't we need to have Congress pass new laws first?  This seems like much ado about nothing.

    •  Say What??? (0+ / 0-)

      Have another cup of coffee or Stop and piss out the over dose of!!

      You just made No sense at all!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 07:12:25 AM PST

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      •  Our laws are made by Congress, not the UN (0+ / 0-)

        If we want better treatment of the disabled in this country, then we need to have Congress pass better laws.  

        Does signing the UN treaty automatically put new laws in effect?  Does it force Congress to act?  It's a serious question.

        •  The treaty doesn't change American law at all. (3+ / 0-)

          In fact, as your morning paper said, this is an international treaty to bring the parameters of the ADA to the world. It means all the countries that ratify it are willing to treat their disabled citizens the same as ours are already treated. This will also help all disabled people to be able to travel anywhere.

          The problem is that by not ratifying it, the US looks really bad to the rest of the world. It's almost like we're mocking them.

        •  Hey the Norm (0+ / 0-)

          You got a real heavy dose of the teabag running through ya, a Real Heavy Dose!!!!!!!!!

          Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

          by jimstaro on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 09:10:09 AM PST

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          •  Um, no. (0+ / 0-)

            If thinking for myself means I have a "dose of the teabag", you may want to re-evaluate what you're advocating for.  Let me break it down for you:

            The US passes the Americans for Disibility Act, which is real legislation that does real good things for real people.

            The UN then writes a treaty, which isn't real legislation and doesn't do anything real.  Countries around the world say they'll pass real legislation and protect real people, only if every other country first signs the treaty.  Meanwhile, their disabled citizens sit and wait.

            Next, 6 Republican senators refuse to sign the treaty, which has no impact on the already passed American laws the treaty is based on.  I agree it looks like a dick move, and there was no reason not to sign it.  But here's the rub....

            So all those countries that were going to implement ADA laws of their own back home (real actions for real people), now aren't going to do so, because 6 Republicans "mocked" them?  They were going to help the disabled, and now they're not?  And that's resonable behavior to you?

            Actions speak louder than words.  The ADA is American law.  If other countries want to protect their disabled citizens, then they will pass ADA style laws themselves.  In fact, they should have already passed them.  They don't need to wait for a UN treaty, they shouldn't wait for a UN treaty.

            Or do we really live in a world where global progress stops because 6 Republicans vote no?  Again, is that resonable behavior to you?  To give 6 republicans that much power?

            The rest of the world can simply tell the Republicans to go to hell and pass new laws anyway.  Because this UN treaty doesn't do anything real, nothing bad happens because 6 republicans didn't vote for it. It's rediculous to think that way.  But I'm sure the GOP just loves all the authority you give them.  They just shut down the UN, and you agree!

            If that makes me a teabagger, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

    •  It's a human rights issue (3+ / 0-)
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      Here's a summary of the treaty.

      •  But what does it actually DO? (0+ / 0-)

        It clarifies, and qualifies, and reaffirms, and several other buzzwords.  But what does the treaty actually do?  Are any new laws passed?  Is any real action taken?  Any real changes made?

        I've been in corporate America for 15 years, and I know the difference between action and pretty sounding words that do nothing.  This sounds like the latter.

        •  Anyone who lives with a disability or lives with (0+ / 0-)

          someone who has a disability knows what this treaty can do toward changing the perception and ultimately the treatment of those living with disabilities.  Many people with disabilities are marginalized, disregarded, abused, neglected, discriminated against and considered less than and not capable.  They are under attack by the GOP for receiving SSI and Medicaid.  They want to work, but because they may need some accomodations or extra support, they aren't hired.

          Acknowledging that people with disabilities deserve dignity and opportunities is a step in improving their lives.  Even with ADA, this country has a long way to go in providing education and opportunities for those with disabilities.  The fact that the U.S. won't even sign a treaty that is modeled after our laws is despicable.  

          If you need more information, read below.

          Article 1 - Purpose

          The purpose of the present Convention is to promote, protect and ensure the full and equal enjoyment of all human rights and fundamental freedoms by all persons with disabilities, and to promote respect for their inherent dignity.

          Persons with disabilities include those who have long-term physical, mental, intellectual or sensory impairments which in interaction with various barriers may hinder their full and effective participation in society on an equal basis with others.

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          Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities

          Preamble
           Article 1 - Purpose
           Article 2 - Definitions
           Article 3 - General principles
           Article 4 - General obligations
           Article 5 - Equality and non-discrimination
           Article 6 - Women with disabilities
           Article 7 - Children with disabilities
           Article 8 - Awareness-raising
           Article 9 - Accessibility
           Article 10 - Right to life
           Article 11 - Situations of risk and humanitarian emergencies
           Article 12 - Equal recognition before the law
           Article 13 - Access to justice
           Article 14 - Liberty and security of person
           Article 15 - Freedom of torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment
           Article 16 - Freedom from exploitation, violence and abuse
           Article 17 - Protecting the integrity of the person
           Article 18 - Liberty of movement and nationality
           Article 19 - Living independently and being included in the community
           Article 20 - Personal mobility
           Article 21 - Freedom of expression and opinion, and access to information
           Article 22 - Respect for privacy
           Article 23 - Respect for home and the family
           Article 24 - Education
           Article 25 - Health
           Article 26 - Habilitation and rehabilitation
           Article 27 - Work and employment
           Article 28 - Adequate standard of living and social protection
           Article 29 - Participation in political and public life
           Article 30 - Participation in cultural life, recreation, leisure and sport
           Article 31 - Statistics and data collection
           Article 32 - International cooperation
           Article 33 - National implementation and monitoring
           Article 34 - Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
           Article 35 - Reports by States Parties
           Article 36 - Consideration of reports
           Article 37 - Cooperation between States Parties and the Committee
           Article 38 - Relationship of the Committee with other bodies
           Article 39 - Report of the Committee
           Article 40 - Conference of States Parties
           Article 41 - Depositary
           Article 42 - Signature
           Article 43 - Consent to be bound
           Article 44 - Regional integration organizations
           Article 45 - Entry into force
           Article 46 - Reservations
           Article 47 - Amendments
           Article 48 - Denunciation
           Article 49 - Accessible format
           Article 50 - Authentic texts

          Convention and Optional Protocol Signatures and Ratifications

          Frequently Asked Questions regarding the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities

          Why is it necessary to have a Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities?

           The Convention is necessary in order to have a clear reaffirmation that the rights of persons with disabilities are human rights and to strengthen respect for these rights.  Although existing human rights conventions offer considerable potential to promote and protect the rights of persons with disabilities, it became clear that this potential was not being tapped.  Indeed, persons with disabilities continued being denied their human rights and were kept on the margins of society in all parts of the world.   This continued discrimination against persons with disabilities highlighted the need to adopt a legally binding instrument which set out the legal obligations on States to promote and protect the rights of persons with disabilities.

          Why is the Convention unique?

          The Convention is the first human rights convention of the 21st century and the first legally binding instrument with comprehensive protection of the rights of persons with disabilities.  While the Convention does not establish new human rights, it does set out with much greater clarity the obligations on States to promote, protect and ensure the rights of persons with disabilities.   Thus, the Convention not only clarifies that States should not discriminate against persons with disabilities, it also sets out the many steps that States must take to create an enabling environment so that persons with disabilities can enjoy real equality in society.  For example, the Convention requires States to take measures to ensure accessibility of the physical environment and information and communications technology.  Similarly, States have obligations in relation to raising awareness, promoting access to justice, ensuring personal mobility, and collecting disaggregated data relevant to the Convention.  In this way, the Convention goes into much greater depth than other human rights treaties in setting out the steps that States should take to prohibit discrimination and achieve equality for all.

          The Convention incorporates a social development perspective.  The Convention recognizes the importance of international cooperation and its promotion to support national implementation efforts.  An innovation in this regard concerns specific references to actions the international community could take to promote international cooperation such as:

          • ensuring that international development programmes are inclusive of and accessible to persons with disabilities;
           • facilitating and supporting capacity-building;
           • facilitating cooperation in research and access to scientific and technical knowledge;
           • providing technical and economic assistance as appropriate.

      •  The Reply (0+ / 0-)

        Reads like the reason given to vote 'nay', that the treaty changes the U.S. Law or the fear it will, greatly unfounded, instead of being a push for others to follow what we did successfully, though still room for improvement, which is what most treaties are including those we've signed onto that others put forth.

        I read it as a bit of teabag mentality being injected!!

        Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

        by jimstaro on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 08:05:10 AM PST

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    •  Many of those that voted no (4+ / 0-)

      would love to "disable" the ADA as it's teh evils regulations that harmzez the job creators job creatin'. Signing an international treaty based on ADA makes not LIBERTY or something.
      Look at what is going on in the UK regarding the disabled, forcing them (even some very severely disabled) to work for their benefits, even though there are few jobs. You can glimpse their end game, another level of indentured labor.

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